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'Idol' unlikely to change vote system

Posted: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 7:06 PM by Gael Fashingbauer Cooper
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As you've read in the comments to previous posts here, "American Idol" viewers are clamoring for the show to change its voting system. No one can quite agree on how exactly to do so, but almost all can agree that the current one is a mess.

Some want the number of votes limited per caller or phone number. Some want the decision as to who gets sent home to be 50 percent the callers' decision, 50 percent dependent on what the judges say.

But my favorite suggestion  is one that will likely never be implemented. Instead of voting for the best singer, what would happen if callers called in for the singer who performed the worst that week? (Some would note that many callers are already doing this, either because of the Vote for the Worst Web site or just to be funny.) Instead of splitting the fanbase into all kinds of groups supporting this singer or that singer, there would only be one decision to be made each week: Who was the absolute worst singer of all the finalists?

Think how interesting that would be. I'm sure there would still be some bizarre plotting and conspiracy theories -- fans of Singer X might surely find ways to convince themselves that kicking off Singer Y would help or hurt their cause. (Think "Survivor," when all the alliances band together to get rid of someone who's a bigger threat to them.) Vote for the Worst.com would have to transform itself into Vote for the Best if it wanted to keep whatever level of power it has.

The change could have a negative effect, too. Singers might even feel that they didn't have to try that hard each week, that all they had to do was sing a little better than the worst one or two others. Like the joke about the two people who suddenly find themselves trapped by a grizzly bear, and one of them starts putting on running shoes. The first man says "Are you crazy? You can't outrun a grizzly bear!" And the other responds "I don't have to outrun the bear. I only have to outrun you."

It would be an intriguing and novel change -- viewers could find out if enough people really do agree each week on who the worst singer is. But "Idol" will never go for it, and here's why. The show views itself as wholesome family entertainment, despite the ever-present scandals. Some of its singers are just 16 or 17. It's one thing for a teen singer to console himself by realizing he just wasn't as good as a powerhouse like LaKisha or Melinda, it's another thing for that same teen to be told, essentially, that Americans actively called in not just to support other singers, but to say "You were awful."

Simon Cowell says that same thing to numerous "Idol" wannabes pretty much every week, but he gets paid for it.

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Or better yet.. What if no one called, or I would go as far as to say.. Don't watch the show. Then and only then we can be spared from another year of mediocre singers who have no talent other then looking pretty for the judges. (Those are the judges words not mine)
The secret of idol is in the voting. By getting the viewers to vote for their favorite...they grow the fan base of that singer and with a little luck the new fan will continue to support the singer even if he/she is voted off the show. It's Genius! By changing the focus to the worst singers, it just becomes another Gong Show.
I'd really like to see the show do away with the quota: the top 12 should be the best dozen singers, male or female, period. "Survivor" has done well with mixing it up, season after season, and "Idol" should follow suit.
I suggest the voter be tested on the idol he/she is voting for...example. If they are voting for Chris they need to be tested on the song he sang (by way of multiple choice)what the wore, if they stood or sat, if they used a hand held microphone or not etc. Then if the voter knows this information- the vote counts. My feeling is most people don't have a clue about music at all.
AI might want to take a page from "Grease: You're the One that I Want". Until the final round, the judges get to save one of the two lowest voted contestants. At least that helps keep qualified performers until the next week. By allowing a save until the final two rounds or so, the influence of the VFTW type sites might be mitigated. But the final votes would be 100% by the public.
I think American Idol should have a limit to the number of votes allowed from each phone number--as is the case with some other shows. But of course then they could not brag about the high number of votes that are cast every week...even though that reflects, not on the talent of the contestants, but on the determination of a limited number of voters.
I agree that the voting does seem to be a bit backwards. If I like more than one singer and I am split than the likely scenario would be to vote for how many singers that "I" like and I assume that the rest of the public also does the same. However, we are forgetting about one major thing, the reason why any show is on the air. . . to make money! Calling and more so, texting, makes the show and the sponsoring companies plenty of money. Imagine if you only had to vote for one person instead of 'fighting' for your favorite or favorite(s). The calls would be significantly less than the voting structure as it is now. We can't always remain niave in this society. Everything has a monetary motive. Without money, the show would not be able to pay its star studded line up and all the other greedy persons involved! I think changing the voting to vote for the worst singer is the best avenue and perhaps Malakar and Haley would not be in the top 12, but that is the risk American Idol is taking in order to make the big bucks.
The American Idol powers-that-be cannot ignore votefortheworst dot com anymore, especially now that they have that obnoxious New York DJ on their side. Votefortheworst's impact is obvious: according to dialidol dot com Sanjaya Malakar was the third largest vote getter last night (3/14/2007), just behind Lakisha and Melinda. If Am Idol doesn't change the voting system ...and quickly... rogue sites like votefortheworst will literally destroy the show.
You have to understand the show. IT IS JUST A SHOW. They live off of making DRAMA out of what we all see. If it weren't for the drama we would not care who makes it to the end. Simon is just the one that everyone hates like J.R. on Dallas. This way they "MAKE" you watch becuase you care for some kid you never met in your life but just has something in common. IF we just let it roll off our backs they would lose thier fan base and disappear like the other shows. JUST LET IT GO PEOPLE.
Firstly I think we should have a female idol and a male idol - it is hard to compare a female voice with a male voice, also most of the females generally have all the "wow" factors as they dress colourfully and the guys hmmmmmmmmmmm they can look sexy and of course sing well in both genders, but I think generally the ladies have an advantage over the men for much more reasons - ask me why - just being a woman - it is a voting system so the majority votes for what they look more than how good they sound - look at Sanjaya - no offence but he does not deserve to be there???
Where are the "stats" when the voting comes in to American Idol? Who and where are the numbers? And why don't we see them? And who wants to hear young men singing Diana Ross songs? That went out with Shaboom!!!!!!!! Clasics as they may be- doesn't work for these young inexperienced Idol contestants! Stop with the celebrity past singers like Barry Manilow- let the Idols sing their favorite singers! It was a disaster and all of the judges say it year after year! Put yourself in their place? God, it doesn't even make sense to have the guys singing lady songs!!!!!!!! And not everyone loves her songs! or Barry Manilow's or whomever you force them to choose from - STOP IT! All the judges did was criticize the "Idols' - It's the songs that the Idols - WAke up!!!!!! Stop with the famous singers and change the venue - It's demeaning!
This season of ai is a little boring. How about doing like an all star show. Take some contestants from previous seasons who did not make the top two and turn them into the top twelve (like Constantine, Elliot, Tamyra, etc.). I think I would like that better next season. After that, start a fresh season. (Just some food for thought)
I agree that voting for the worst seems like the best way to even things out. My problem with the voting the way it is now is that the votes get split all the time. Similar vocal styles attract the same group of fans who vote for one or the other leaving a good singer vulnerable. I like the idea of the judges having some kind of say in the eliminations too. At least that way someone like Sanjaya and his scary hair couldn't coast by on the fact that he is sweet and people like him, regardless of how poorly he sings.
What I don't understand is why American Idol doesn't have judge votes along with the votes of the American public, like "Dancing with the Stars" does. It would help ensure that a truly good or bad singer will stay on or go home if the two voting systems are combined.
Wow, I REALLY liked Cherie from LA's suggestion of an all-star season...it would do two things 1. Bring back a lot of people that we all loved (and probably some people that just like to create drama) and 2. Probably get MORE people to vote as they realize their mistakes from previous seasons (failure to vote for top people like Mandisa and Chris Daughtry) Of course most of these people are probably over trying to become the next American Idol and just want to get on with their careers, using AI as a resume boost. Many non-winners still have record deals, but those who don't may beg to come back...
I've been screaming this idea for years! It's much easier to vote for one to go home than it is for three that you want too keep.
This show should be taken off the air! Don't watch the show. Then and only then we can be spared from another year of mediocre singers who have no talent other then looking pretty for the judges. (Those are the judges words not mine) Amen!!!
The voting system is really not working! I think the judges should have more say in who goes, but maybe not totally. They should be allowed to give "immunity" to some (maybe half of the number who are left each week), then let the rest be up for the vote as to who goes.
Maybe they should leave the judges comments out of it all together since it's obvious America is a land of sheep that follows the flock leader. Comments made by the judges predjudice the minds of viewers, they have a very powerful influence over how people respond to the contestents especially Simon, viewers tend to take to heart everything he says. Also they need to get rid of the guest singers, asking white boys and girls to sing Motown is as unfair as asking black boys and girls to sing Bon Jovi. Do you think Bon Jovi would survive Idol singing a Dianah Ross song or vice versa, don't think so. Idol needs to work on making the show an even and fair playing field for all the singers and bringing out the best in their voices, yes Dolittle can sing, but so far the only thing we've heard her sing are made for black singers the same goes for LaKisha, they can belt out a song but if you really listen to the tone of Haley's voice you can hear quality and no one has commentented on that. It's hard enough for these youngsters to get up in front of the television camaras and try to sing their hearts out but then to be bashed at the end by comments like that was horrible or disqusting or even on their looks, hairstlye and clothing. Saying their preformence was forgetable or worst of all not even remembering your name must be devestating. Come on Idol SHAPE UP! I know some people get a kick out of the rudness but that should be saved for the people that deserve it at the begining of the auditions or contestents that may be rude themselves, does Simon really think Dolittle is this shy little thing in real life, get real, this is an act. She's getting off on the whole thing and people are eating it up, nobody that is supposed to be that shy would even get up on that stage never mind in front of television camaras. Simon says she doesn't have a big ego, well anybody can see if they look she's got the biggest ego of all and is really enjoying all the stroking. Just once before I die I'd like to see some honesty in the entrtainment world, of course I'd like to win the lottery to.
How about if the judges pick the bottom three and then the public votes on who they want to keep
I think more women deserved to be on this year again...when we get to the final 24 i think it should be the best 12 period...men or women...we are putting horrible singers in (EXHayley & Sanjaya and leaving out deserving singers EX Sabrina & Sundance WE need to make sure and get back to what american idol used to be and that was a SINGING contest..not who was the prettiest CMON..before the show is ruined
During the results show, when Ryan Seacrest says, "....America voted....", this isn't really correct. With the advent of technology, including Voice over Internet Protocol, IPTV/Satellite and software dialers, anyone in the world can easily and economically call in to vote (in bulk). It no longer is American Idol but rather World Idol.
How about a split vote each time a voter casts a vote they must cast one vote for their "Favorite" and one vote for their "Least Favorite" instead of labeling that singer "the worst"... let the computers sort it out and reward each week's favorite with an automatic bye during the following week's competitom. That allows the "Fan Favorite" for the prior week to cut loose without fear of being too conservative or too over the top. Who knows what be bop would do? And Miss Rocker might really pull out the stops!
I just want to see another seasong of American Superstar.
Why is everyone talking about what an impact votefortheworst.com is having on this season? Last week, Sundance and Antonella were the people that website wanted people to vote for. Sanjaya is adorable and he has a pretty voice. I can totally understand why he's still around. Musical tastes are totally subjective and when you have someone who is always on pitch, it comes down to personal tastes.
The thing that you've got to keep in mind is that this is the most popular TV show of all time! They have found a method and it works and they should keep it up - it's not broke folks. Other shows have tried other voting methods and have not been nearly as successful. We all think that we may have 'better way,' but the bottom line is the current way works very well thank you. Yes the vote for the worst guys have some early success when the vote gets split 20 different ways, but eventually, the votes get concentrated and the best singers are left in the top 4 or 5. From that point on, the singers are well known enough that they can make it on their own even if they don't win.
Why don't they use the voting system used for "So You Think You Can Dance" whereby the viewers vote, and then of the bottom 2 or 3, the judges have the final say. SYTYCD is an excellent show..and in the end, the BEST DANCER wins! There's a thought for you, Nigel! Better change something soon before all the viewers go away.
Listening to AI boast weekly about the number of votes cast has definitely become tiresome; especially when the actual number of people voting is probably 50 percent of that number at best. AI should learn from other shows and 1) limit the voters to 5 calls per phone number and 2) have the judges votes make up 50 percent of the contestant's total.
American Idol apparently enjoys the dilema of having obviously bad singers outlast much more talented contestants each week. No matter how much indignence the judges display when the votes are revealed, they created this situation. There is no way that, out of the hundreds of thousands of people that auditioned for this show, that Sanjaya or Antonella were among the best 24 singers. AI passed the lame ducks into the final 24 knowing full well what was going to happen.
Let's make this "real, dawg." Instead of tallying phone votes, "Idol" should sell mp3 or video downloads of the performances and see who makes the most money. Make the cost a measly 50 or 99 cents, donate proceeds to charity, and let voters put their money where their mouth is. If you *actually* want that horrible rendition of that horrible song by the guy with cute smile, you'll be glad to fork over a few pennies. Right...? The beautiful thing is that contestants would actually be accountable for their performances, instead of just riding on their scandalous photos or well-conditioned hair.
I think no matter what voting system is in place will always have a complaints. How do we really know if it is the public and not set up anyway. They can always disqualify great singers and leave not so great to make us think we are the ones casting the votes.
i think the top 12 r thr ones that hit it all!!!!i think america will have an problem with the top 2 cuz everyone is really excellent and i like this weeks songs
After tonight, the show has lost one viewer. No biggie, I know. I'll download the performances of the girls I enjoy listening to and be spared having to listen to a kid who would be better off performing in community theater.
People, people, people. Where in the WORLD did you get the idea that American I Dull is about MUSIC??? Do you think actual musicians like Lennon, McCartney, Dylan, Petty, Stipe, Sheryl Crow, Tracy Chapman, etc. would have ever made it to the Top 24 if they had tried out? This is about REALITY TV, not MUSIC.
Haha.. Finally a funny article about Idol.. thanks for the imagination. I do think that limiting calls could help, but it would have to be done just right otherwise it might backfire, or be abused. I think that letting the judges have 50% of the vote is a terrible idea. The judges use the power of suggestion to slowly bend American one direction or another. So they have more power than you think to sway the votes.
Drama and sex sells...AI will not change a thing because they are doing as Kid Rock said in his song.....I am going HA HA HA all the way to the bank b@&%h. For every site such as votefortheworst or questionable pics or anyone that has ever demanded a recount it makes people watch. I say leave idol alone...enough already!
Ultimately the best 2 or 3 will be there and as proven by the sucesses of the winners. The only thing changing the voting system may do is hasten the departure of some of the not so greats. The only change I could maybe see is one already suggested. Let the judges save one of the bottom three. If that was done, Sanjaya would be gone proving this isn't a prettiest hair and teeth contest.
I've watched AI since the beginning and every season there has been a controversy. After watching season after season I've come to recognize that there is a definite problem with many things on Idol especially the voting. I agree that it should be a combination percentage between the judges' vote and America's vote. This season Sanjaya remaining and even making it into the Top12 is ridiculous. Something is definitely wrong if he's still around! Also the guest singers genre should be a consideration and whether it fits with the contestants. Last season, when Chris was voted off and Katharine remained there was outrage by many who stated his ousting was unfair and possibly rigged, but the theme that week lended itself more to male singers and Katharine was the only female. I don't know how a female could sing Elvis with as much flair and style when his music was focused on a man singing to a woman. I think the whole situation was unfair for both Chris and Katharine. I agree that the contestants should sing to their strengths and not have to fit the mold that AI creates.
"Let's make this "real, dawg." Instead of tallying phone votes, "Idol" should sell mp3 or video downloads of the performances and see who makes the most money. Make the cost a measly 50 or 99 cents, donate proceeds to charity, and let voters put their money where their mouth is. If you *actually* want that horrible rendition of that horrible song by the guy with cute smile, you'll be glad to fork over a few pennies. Right...? The beautiful thing is that contestants would actually be accountable for their performances, instead of just riding on their scandalous photos or well-conditioned hair. " That's a really good idea actually. But in a scenario like this I just wouldn't vote because I'm cheap haha. I tend to split up my votes to my top three or four, giving more votes to the one I like the best. But I see the flaws in this system. Some people are nuts and will sit there hitting redial for the full two hours, where another person doesn't have the time or lack of life to vote more than a few times. For me, I have a job early in the morning, like I'm going to sit on the phone until midnight voting for the people I like the best. My best suggestion is to limit the amount of calls per household (to account for multiple voters in the household, stuff like that) or vote on the internet. There are still ways around this (multiple computers or phone lines) but hey, if you go so far out of the way to get in those extra few votes in I suppose you've earned them. I also agree on the male and female thing. Women and men do have dramatically different voices and a girl who can belt out a song is more likely to be a crowd favorite than a guy who sings like, well, a guy. Personally, I like voices because they're unique, not so much because they're powerful.
The reason why Sanjara is still in the top 12 is because,the indians community is behind him ,all the indians community, radio,business,are calling they people all over us and canada to tell each other to vote for Sanjara.If we dont vote for the best singer ,Sanjara will win .I dont think it fair .Sanjara cannot sing.
Remember this is the 6th season for this show, these people certainly know what they are up against, and they know what is expected out of them. I agree there has been some very unreal choices as to whom to vote off. I think there are some people who are using the "Survivor" voting tactic by removing the singers who are a threat to the one they wawnt to keep. This season sucks actually!
AI should take over the voting system like GREASE "You're the one that I want." They take the bottome 2 or 3 from the voting America, then the judges have the opportunity to save one of them. They certainly would not save Sanjaya. If Sanjaya wink I will never watch this show again. HE SUCKS.
The voting system should be changed during the run-up to the top-12. Viewers should still vote for their favorites, with the bottom 2 vote getters (1 of each gender) being let go each week. In addition, the judges or an independent panel of music industry experts should be responsible for voting-off 2 others. That will solve the Sanjaya problem, and the end result will be a better top-12 singing competition.
I have a great idea for a change to Idol. I think they should leave it the way it is...however, give the judges 1 save. This is one save for all of them not individual saves (3). They should have to decide wisely amongst themselves on how and when they will use the save. That way, people who are good like Sabrina (voted off last week) will be saved by the judges, therefore getting another week to be heard. It would make it interesting...!
Sanjara need to go, he is a terrible singer, the only reason that he is still there because he is the first Indian signer on the show so he is getting the the Indian voters.
The problem is that the producers and the executives keep on putting their two cents in the votes. Cowell said it best that if the show had the perfect 12 it would not be American Idol. They assume that people only tune in to see Simon humiliate people on live air. In the past they have had one or two mediocre performers make it to the 12. Last year they had Kevin Kovais and the chicken dance to "Part Time Lovers". This year it is Sunjaya "I look like El DeBarge" Malakar. To be fair Sundance should have been picked and Brandon should have been dismissed. Brandon has a backup singer job, Sundance has a newborn child.
It is obvious that the entire country of India (the second largest plpulation inthe world) is voting for Malakar. their votes diminish the divided up votes of Americans.
You are all missing the point. I have been involved with Idol. In a huge stadium, teeming with several thousand hopefuls, about 15 people were ushered in through the back door. They ALL got gold tickets. Simon Paula and Randy don't see you until you've been passed through several auditions. Meaning all of those horrible singers you see that actually made it through to the TV judges have been given some hope, and then are ridiculed and torn apart by them. It's a circus, not a singing competition. Why do you think the judges stacked the deck against the guys this year? Because it's time for a girl to win. Do you honestly think they found the best male singers in this country under 28? The judges hand pick who they want to win from the beginning, then do everything, including messing with the microphones, to make the others sound bad, while boosting their chosen favorites. It's just a giant publicity machine, that tricks the public into thinking they've actually voted in their favorites. And it works! They sell millions of records for the artists that they have chosen to promote in this way, and the public has been largely fooled, until now. There is something we can do, however, to show them we're fed up and we're not going to take it anymore. Let's not give them the chance to promote the one they have chosen, crowned, and shamelessly promoted through this bogus show. Lets vote for the one that it's least likely that they want. Vote for Sanjaya. The kid won't lose either. He has already won money for making it to the top 12. He will get more for getting into the top ten. And I'll bet once their stuck with him, they'll do everything they can to help him sound better. And we'll show these shady producers and promoters that we've had it with their false Idols!
Something has to change. I think the number of calls need to be limited. It's ridiculous that Sundance and now Brandon have gone home instead of Sanjaya. Now that I have heard about votefortheworste it's even crazier. I have been an idol fan for the past 5 seasons but I seriously don't want to watch anymore. The voting system just isn't fair. We should have a limit to the number of calls we are able to place and I also think we should be voting the worste person off. The voting system is ruining the show.
They need to try something different because America do not understand yet after six years this is a singing competition not a personality contest. The show have lost too many good singers, and still have Sanjaya on the show he really need to go home. If America don't sent he need to go on his own. What really have touch me to the bones is that Stephanie was put off tonight and Sanjaya is still there. If people is pitting him pleas stop.


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