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What's in a baby name? Plenty of "y's"

Posted: Friday, June 29, 2007 1:52 PM by Gael Fashingbauer Cooper
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The Wall Street Journal had one of those so-weird-it-can't-be-real stories a week ago: It's about how some parents are now paying hundreds of dollars to "name consultants" to help them name their babies.

I am thisclose to thinking the story is a late April Fool's Day hoax, because...what? How hard is it to come up with a baby name? It's actually one of the most fun tasks of the whole pregnancy process -- far above choosing a daycare center or buying a car seat.

If you have Internet access, you can read through thousands of possible names for free. If you have library access or $10 for a book, you can pore over list after list of names. (And, need I point out, if you're old enough to have a baby, you're old enough to have come in contact with thousands of names on your own...this should not be a new concept.)

Yet that didn't stop one mother from paying $475 to have someone test the "numerology" of her baby's name to see...I don't know, if the baby would win at craps with that name? She could have given me $475 and I'd have told her anything she wanted to hear about the name.

Another couple hired a consultant to give them an 11-page list of names (again, Internet, library books...free!). The name they picked? Jackson. They needed a consultant to do this? Never heard of Jackson Pollock, or Andrew Jackson? Or Willis and Arnold Jackson from "Diff'rent Strokes"?

The names in this country have been swinging on a three-pronged trend lately, if you ask me.  Don't get me wrong, some of the names are still great, but it's funny to watch the trends. Here are the three main groupings I see:

One: Old-fashioned names, aka Grandma names: Hannah, Violet, Henry, Charlotte, Emma. Some of these names you haven't seen since they were calligraphied in ink in the family bible from the 1800s. But except for that show-wrecking baby from "Mad About You," the name "Mabel" has yet to make a comeback.

Two: Last names and city names. I had a friend who dubbed her child's grade-school group "the airport class" since so many of them (Madison, Logan, Austin) had names that were also airport names. My own last name, Cooper, has been snatched up as a baby name, and McKenzies and Kennedys crowd the local playgrounds. (Only they sometimes spell them "Mykynzyeee" and "Kynnydey.")

Three: Wacky names. We've moved on from Rainbow and Sunshine, but just check out our new Celebrity Baby Names application to see what Hollywood types are calling the little ones these days. River. Dezi. Cayden. Magnus. William Huckleberry. Gable. Heaven Rain. Milan Hayat. Speaking as someone who's had to spell her first name every single day for her entire life, you kids have my sympathies.

The classic Web site, "Baby's Named a Bad, Bad Thing," has long highlighted the craziness in baby naming. If you've never checked it out, clear your schedule for a few hours, because exploring it is awfully addictive. You'll meet parents who want to change the spelling of a name so it begins with the same letter as their other kids, parents who think "Oleo" is a good name for a child, and plenty of parents who think the letter "i" is evil and should be abolished and forcibly replaced by plenty of "y" and "ee" usage instead.

Update: The comments are full of reports of people naming their babies things like "Orangejello," "Lemonjello" and "Placenta." True, or just an urban legend? Snopes.com has an interesting take on it here. Some of the names of this type that they've been able to substantiate inclue Ima Hogg, Mark Lemongello (last name, not a first) and Shanda Lear, of the Lear jet family. Yes, she could  probably afford a few chandeliers, then.

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"If you have library access or $10 for a book, you can pore over list after list of names"  It should be "pour" not pore, as on your face.
I'm still waiting for my name "Pamela" to make a comeback. :)
Editor's Note: To D in LA: Nope, "pore" is correctly used. As a verb, it means " to read or study attentively — usually used with 'over'." (Check Merriam-Webster if you don't believe me.)

http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pore
Gael--
Thank you so much for using the correct spelling of "pore" in this context.  It is one of the frequent mispellings that irritates me the most.  I find that it is almost always spelled "pour".
I totally agree with the author. One of the neat parts of pregnancy is the name picking. 9 months of debating with your spouse, to finally have the name you feel fits best. As for the name trends; I have 2 children, and a niece, with "grandma" names, 1 daughter with an "unusual but not wacky" name, and another niece with a "seriously wacky" name. Nailed that one.
As a teacher, it is difficult to keep up with all of these invented spellings.  It is very important to a child that their name is spelled correctly on the board or chart.  I actually have a student named Khase (pronounced Chase).  How am I supposed to teach him to read when he thinks "kh" makes a "ch" sound?  Parents!  Give us a break?
As a person with a name that no one has ever heard of I sympathize with all the children that will spend the rest of their life saying their name over, then spelling it, and then saying it again.
Just for the record, my mom wanted to name me "Bhreanna" or something similar but decided against it because she didn't want me to have to go through spelling my name all the time and having folks mispell and mispronounce it.

She named me "Kathleen" , a very very common name that is almost always spelled this way, and my last name is one of the five most common last names.

It still gets mispelled and mispronounced several times a week.

Name your kid whatever the hell you want...people will still be idiots and misspell/mispronounce it. The kid will have to suck it up and move on. The useless national infastructure and the lack of social security will probably annoy them way more.

Does it really bother you that some kid is named 'Apple" or 'Caryyyn'? For you, that should be a great red flag to never hang out with their no-doubt-dumber-than-you parents. (I'm trying to be sarcastic here, but boy, that "Kh" really bothers me, too. Oh well.)

Oh, AND my mom was a nurse and tried UNSUCCESSFULLY to convince a woman to NOT name her baby "Placenta". So, remember, it could always be worse.

Some celebritees must have been hungry when they named their kids. Gweneth Paltrow saddled her baby with the name Apple. Courtney Cox-Arquette named hers after a dog or cereal--CoCo, like CoCo puffs. I pity these kids who have to struggle with cutesy names with complicated spellings.
The last thing these parents are thinking about is their kids futures.
All that work to name a baby, when the future may play tricks with it.  36 years ago when my parents picked my name, they had no idea that someday I would share it will a killer hurricane (or that people would have the nerve to suggest I therefore change it!)  And in my mother-in-law's baby names book (which she still has) my husband's namd, DANA, was only listed under the Boys section of the book.  And now 37 years later it is almost always only listed on the Girls side, and people rarely believe him when he first tells them his name.  So parents, don't invest so much time and energy into something that someday may mean something else, or be so wacky that your kid spends his/her 18th birthday filing the legal forms to change it!
I cannot stand the "aden" names - Braden, Jaden, Caden, etc.  
I gave my daughter three names, the last two after her grandmothers, Violet and Barbara. She has always asked my why? She says her brothers got normal names, Keith and Ryan. Now that Jennifer Garner named her daughter Violet, I do not feel so guilty.
A few more "Grandma" names:  Myrtle, Matilda, Ida, Edna and Edith come to mind.  The Wacky names, I've known Feather, Destiny, and of course Autumn, Spring and Summer (no Winter as of yet) all left over names from the hipsters of the 60's and the wannabe hippies of the 70's.  And then there's that actress what's-her-face that named her kid Apple.  These kids are destined to grow up with some sort of complex.
Some of the names people are giving their babies these days should be just cause for a conviction on charges of child abuse.  Heaven help those poor little kids who have to suffer with those ridiculous names.
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Chance but at least it's not Khance
You really wanna see some coverage of celebrity baby names? Try http://www.celebritybabynamesblog.com
They blog about this stuff every day!
How about Willow or Fawn or Cherry?
Good article, but the best part was the whole "it should be pour, not pore" thing in the comments.  Ha!  Love it when people get their comeuppance.  Note to d in L.A., that means "a deserved rebuke or penalty" . . . according to Merriam-Webster.  Hahahahahahaha!
My rules for naming my children:
1. If I liked it enough to call them a name all the time, that would be their name (no nicknames).
2. Spell it correctly.  Spelling a name in a "different" way just makes the parent look illiterate. (Jackson, not Jaxon)
3. It has to sound good with "President of the United States" in front of it. I don't think we'll ever have a President Bubba Smith.  
Most people I've met, no matter how you say it or spell it, they usually fit their name, so, parents must know a little bit.
I grew up in Virginia with an unusual Hawaiian name.  It caused me much embarrassment when I was young, but when I grew up, I was glad to have an unusual name that was different than anyone else's.  I recently moved back to Hawaii and finally met someone else with the same name as me, and it was very disconcerting to hear people say my name and not be talking to me.
For the love of whatever God (or god or goddess) you do or do not believe in, "yooneek" spellings are just torture.  Just ask my husband who has a kr8tively spelled name that gets spelled wrong and pronounced wrong.  Also, Chase is a game, not a name.  Khase isn't even a word, much less a name.
No, it's actually "pore"; strangely enough.
What I hate most about my name is the racial profiling.  My first name is mostly associated with African-Americans and my last name is Portugese, however I am caucasion as is my husband and children, yet we get credit card solicitations an magazine offerings written in Spanish or directed at African Americans.  

My children have "normal" names, yet my daughter complains that there are 4 other Samanthas in her class.  
My daughter's name is Mabel and we love it.  Most people we meet love it too, because of the fact that it's not one of the popular old lady names that are making a comeback (or they are just being nice).  The name itself means "lovable," and I cannot think of a better name for her.  Sometimes I think she will probably want to go by her middle name instead, but for now we enjoy her short but sweet name.
Although my legal first name (on my birth certificate and all other important documents) is Elizabeth, I normally use the nickname Betty (together with my middle name, Lee) [My mother was  Betty, my father's name was Lee, and I was their first child.]  Ever since childhood, I have felt an immediate kinship with anyone I have met named Elizabeth or any of its derivatives (Beth, Bess, Betsy, Liz, Libby, etc.) I also find special enjoyment in reading about historical women who shared any of those names (the mother of John the Baptist, Betsy Ross, the Queens Elizabeth, Betty Zane, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, etc.)

I think that when parents name their child, they ought to have a story to tell the child about why they chose the name - a story that will help to root the child, give her/him a sense of connectedness to certain people, events, or places important to their family.  One of my granddaughters, for example, is named Katie McKenzie. Katie is a derivative of a great-grandmother's name, and McKenzie is the river in the town where Katy was born.  Her sister's names are Julia (same as one of her father's sisters) and Victoria, for the place in Canada where her parents were vacationing when Julia was conceived!
I love my brother, but he is seriously handicapping his kids, poor little tykes. Ezekiel Thayne Balthazar Adrian (last name here) and Evelyn Maria Francesca Sophia (last name here).  At least they are all relatively "normal", or family names, except for the Balthazar...
I am the 5th of 5 granddaughters yet I was stuck with my grandmother's name.  I am 54 years old and still hate it and complain about it to this day..the names of the granddaughters; Susan (Susie) Carole, Dianne, Anna Marie and then me... Winifred Louise. Isn't that a shame? Now WHY would my parents tack Louise after Winifred. My mother wanted to name me Michelle and call me Mickey. Why she didn't stick Michelle somewhere I do not know. Mu aunt who never had any children suggested Louise and probably because she and the other grandmother, Anna, were very dominating italians, my mother gave in.  I HATE my name!!!!! I named my daughter Michelle..very common. She is very grateful.
Apparently, the name "Destiny" is fairly common among little girls in the small town I live in. That's a pretty heavy name for a six-year-old.
Never forget Frank Zappa's kids, Dwezel(?) and Moon Unit  Zappa.
I personally like the fact that I have a less than common name (Rhonda), and it too gets misspelled and misstated.  Had I been a boy, I would have been Dallas.

I cannot stand crazy "fashionable" new names, and decided that when I had kids they would have normal names.  Their first names are ones that just "felt right" when my husband and I were discussing it - Benjamin and Hannah - and their middle names are after deceased and well-loved, greatly-missed relatives - Joseph and Stacy.  Their names are not going to be hard for people to spell or pronounce and I think they will be grateful when they are older for having beautiful names with something special behind them.
I agree with most that the weird spellings of names is nerve racking. I have a common name, Britni, but it is spelled weird. I constantly have to spell my name out for people but I like the way it is spelled. It is unique. I sometimes find others who have it spelled the same as me. My daughters name is Ashlynn. I wanted one n but my husband wanted two so I compromised because I got the name I wanted. She will also have to spell out her name for the rest of her life. I feel sorry the the kids who have to grow up with odd names. I once met a girl who's name was Marajuana and another whose name is Tequila! You know what their parents were thinking about. And yes, the name Khase is awful. it's no where near phonetically correct. I didn't know how to pronounce it when I read it. I stopped where I was and tried to figure it out till I gave up and kept reading. I think parents are just trying to out do each other by finding quirks to the spellings. Maybe they think that a name will be better if they can find an odd way of spelling it. I am going to school to be a teacher and it actually makes me anxious (in a bad way) to think about what kind of names I will be approached with on the first day of school.
My first name is Karina due to Swedish heritage and being born in Minnesota. I hated it as a child and well into my teen years and never met anyone else with the same name. It wasn't until I moved to Germany via the US Army for two years that I realized "Karina" was as common as "Lisa" in Europe and for once I felt normal. I even took a picture of a store named "Karina's Boutique" to show my friends back home. And yes... even though I'm lacking the letter "T" in my name I got razzed with all the hurricane jokes also.
I'm a criminal defense lawyer and I have actually represented individuals with the following names: "Baby Girl" "Female" (but it is pronounced: Phe-mul-ee), "Aquanet", and "L'Oreal."  The judge always asks me to repeat the names.  Always.
I can relate to this problem all too well... My name is Ariane. I always have to spell it, repeat it, and end up saying "it's like Marianne, without the M." My Maiden name was horrible too. The first day of school there was always a long pause from the teacher, and I would raise my hand and say, "Yeah, that's me. Marianne without the M."

PS - I named my daughter Caroline Elizabeth. One of those old grandma names that everyone keeps talking about. I thought it sounded good with 'Doctor', or 'President of the United States' in front of it.
My Mom named me Priscilla and I've been called Patricia, Pat, Phyllis etc. and it's ok. My dear friends call me Prissy and that's ok,too. I'm just happy that I'm still around to respond!!!
I have one of the ultimate grandma names...however, it could have been worse - my mother wanted to name me Ivana (My father's name was Iwan (pronounced ee-von))...my father insisted that we get names that translated well in English and Ukrainian

Try growing up in the last part of the 20th century w/the name Martha...in a world of Susans, Kathys, and Lisas ... as a child, the only well known Marthas were Martha Raye and Martha 'The Mouth' Mitchell from the Nixon days...and of course everyone thought they were SO original asking me how George was...and just when all of that stopped, the one I refer to as 'that' Martha came along!

As someone who works in the back office of a major insurance company, I really get frustrated at some of the crazy names and spellings...especially when I have to guess at the gender of the person
When I named my oldest son Dakota, the nurse at the hospital asked, "North or South"?.  I just smiled and replied, "Dodge".  My youngest son is named Wyatt and to this day, I do not regret the choices I made for my two beautiful babies.  It really doesn't matter what you name your child, as long as it comes from the heart and your child can hear the love in your voice everytime you use it.  My parents named me
James E, even though I am a female, and have called me Jamie since day one.  Now that my father has passed away, I am honored to have shared his name and even more so to carry on his name.  Life is too short to worry about names, good or bad.  
My father has the following opinion: "It should be criminal to use your children's names as a creative outlet."
I nearly named my daughter Siobhan (Shabon), as it is a Gaelic name. However, I really didn't want her to have to spend her life spelling it.  I named her Mary and she loves it.
I am a fan of somewhat unusual names, my son is Ryder Hayden (before Kate Hudson got her hands on it)and we are currently on the hunt for another name that will be equally uncommon. I do NOT want my child to be one of 5 Amys or Jennifers or Jasons or Chris etc etc in the same class.
When my wife and I married in 2003, I "inherited" (for lack of a better term) my two stepsons, who each have a Western first name and a LONG middle name (Wyatt Alexander and Cole Nathaniel).  When we discovered we were expecting, my wife made the executive decision that Emily would be the name if it were a girl, and my only job was to find a middle name.  Why all these people come up with stupid names (William HUCKLEBERRY Paisley?  Brad, I'm a fan of the music, but...sheesh!)  I thought of a name that had one syllable to counteract Emily and we came up with Grace.  If the sonograms were wrong, and Emily had "outdoor plumbing", in keeping with the Western First name and long middle name, we would have had a Shane Montgomery.

I kind of like the return of Henry and names of that ilk, but Heaven?  Apple?  Or the worst thing I can think of, Nicolas Cage's poor kid Kal-el (Seinfeld is a HUGE Superman fan, and even he must have read that and said "What's the deal with that?")

You want to name something a really stupid name?  Get a pet.  I have a cat named Spaz - that's appropriate for a cat.  Huckleberry is never appropriate for a human - only a blue cartoon dog.
When I named my children, I read name books and tried every name that I liked with the middle & last name so that it sound ok. I have a Courtney, Ian, Mariah. Ian, I thought would be an easy name, just 3 letters. My ex, liked the name since it was Scottish. Very few people say or spell his name right. My son said that he likes his name because there isn't too many of them. Heaven forbid that people can spell Mariah. Actually, I chose her name since it was the closest name that I like that it had the MA in it. My grandmothers middle name Mae.
On the other hand I am glad that my mother didn't get to name after the grandmothers middle names(Daisey Mae). My mothers name, I have asked her if she has 2 first names or first or middle name. What do you think (Emma Faye).? Her response whatever I want it to be.
I worked in a pediatrician's office for a bit a few years ago.  A woman had had triplets, 2 boys and a girl.  Tieler, Taylor and Tyler.  I am NOT making this up.  Speaking of which, anybody wanna take a wager on how many Zachery Tylers or Zachery Taylors
there are walking around, about 10-12 yrs old right now?
Poor usage of "pore" and "pour" is one of my pet peeves - thanks to all who badgered D. in LA.  It's also nice to hear from another Katrina - it's such a pretty name, and it pains me when people (mostly in the media) don't use "Hurricane" in front of it when they talk about the destruction in the South.  I have to keep telling people I didn't have anything to do with storm devastation.  Adding to the comment of Erin from Seattle, I agree with disliking the current "-aden" names.  I was also sick of the "-ailey/aley" names:   Bailey, Cailey, Haley, etc.  I think creative and wacky names should be reserved for pets.
Good God, THANK YOU for this!  I especially hate the people who say "But it's ur baybee.  Naem it wat u want."
You could also just reference recently popular TV shows, for example, if you have triplet girls, you could name them Paige, Piper, and Phoebe, as in the "Charmed" Ones from the late great WB show. Samantha, Tabitha, and Serena (or Endora) are also Bewitching.
My dad and a crush on Shana Alexander on 60 minutes. You guessed it. I got Shana. I have been everything from Shania to shannna to shannon to shawna and the good Lord knows what else. My son was not doomed to my fate and received solid strong correctly spelled and easily pronunciated names Thomas Anthony. Sigh.. More parents should have IQ testing before they are permitted to name their children.  
My daughter is named Sydney, after where her father and I were married, yes 'Down Under'.  Her middle name is Fred.  My husband's grandfather called him that.  My uncle is Frederick as is his son.  So 'Fred' is natural to us. (Although my grandmother divorced my uncle's father - so my uncle and cousin go by Rick).  As a side note, while I was pregnant there was a commercial, Nike I think, that was promoting women's empowerment to do anything.  One of the lines in the commercial was something like "we can name our daughters Fred" with a baby girl sitting on shoulder's wearing a baseball cap reading "Fred".  Other than my grandmother and one other rather rude stranger, everyone likes 'Fred'. And uses it as a nickname for their own daughters.

My son, choose his name.  He didn't like Griffin or Graeme (this is a legitimate spelling, English, pronounced 'gram').  He choose Cooper (okay it's the only one didn't cry upon hearing.  Poor kid, his first name is a last name and his last name is a first name.  I wouldn't change it - BUT I am very careful when at the Dr's office or when signing him up for anything the first time.  Last thing I want is him mistaken for the other kid who's parents got the names in the 'correct' order.

Oh, until I was 26 I had never seen anyone with my first name spelled with both a 'c' and a 'k'.  And the first person I saw with my name was on Family Feud of all things.  Guess her last name - Erick.  I kid you not, watch the reruns.  BTW, I was crushed, to no longer be unique.

My spelling comes from my other grandmother's madien name.

Simply put, there is a story behind each name.  Don't judge.  It may be worth hearing about someday.
As a child, I never found any pencils, stationery, or Christmas ornaments pre-printed with my (correctly spelled)name.  Also, being a "Gena" that sounds like "Gina" not "Jenna" was a result of really being "Eugenia"...a family name.  I like it now but you can be sure that when I had children, I looked for the most common spellings of each of their names.  As luck would have it, I traded a common English surname for a Lithuanian one when I married...so now I pronounce and spell both names!


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