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Visiting Marilyn Monroe's grave: Resting places of the rich and famous

Posted: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 4:00 PM by Gael Fashingbauer Cooper
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A few weeks ago, while I was attending the TV critics' summer press tour, a friend and I decided we were tired of being surrounded by today's stars. So we headed off just a few miles from our hotel to visit the final resting places of some of yesterday's stars.

While the Forest Lawn cemeteries get all the attention, I recommend visiting the Westwood Village Memorial Park, just off the UCLA campus in Westwood. It's weirdly located -- you need to cut between a soaring skyscraper and its parking garage, and there you'll see the black gates of the cemetery standing open. It's a small, park, so very walkable, the staff are courteous (I've heard that at some celebrity cemeteries they're not thrilled with tourists) and you're sure to have heard of most of the famous folks who are buried here.

Before we left the hotel, we printed out this very useful guide and map. We ran into a couple other visitor groups who had come without a map, and they were wandering somewhat lost. We ended up gifting one of them with our map before we left and they were quite thankful.


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Marilyn Monroe’s elegant grave marker.

The most famous Westwood Village resident has to be Marilyn Monroe. I was braced for a zoo-like atmosphere around her grave (thinking of Jim Morrison's graffiti-covered marker in Paris). But it was as elegant and lovely as Marilyn on her best day. She's buried in an above-ground crypt, indicated with a simple marker on the wall and a white bench bearing her name. Also in the above-ground crypts: Truman Capote, Dean Martin, drummer Buddy Rich, Jonathan Harris (Dr. Smith of "Lost in Space") and Elizabeth Taylor's parents.

One of the more elaborate celebrity graves belongs to Bob Crane, Colonel Hogan of "Hogan's Heroes," whose murder has been the subject of various books and movies. His marker is one of the few celebrity graves that features photographs. (Numerous non-celebrities are also buried at Westwood, many of them native-born Iranians who had left their native country for L.A. It seems to be a tradition among many of the Iranian families to feature photographs on their markers.)

Even with the map, we had to do some hunting for Natalie Wood's grave. We finally wised up and started looking not for trees and landmarks, but for the more flower-decked graves. Natalie Wood's simple marker, decorated with a rose and the words "More than love," is one of the most honored and visited graves at the park. When we were there, flowers, balloons, and numerous coins decked the stone.

Another reason we were glad we had our Internet map: Some celebrities are buried here in unmarked graves, musicians Roy Orbison and Frank Zappa among them. Our Internet map carefully detailed how to locate the plain patches of grass where both men are buried. (Zappa's blank spot is especially easy to find since he's right next to actor Lew Ayres, who does have a simple marker.)


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A musical staff marks Ray Conniff's grave.

I especially liked the gravestones for musicians. Ray Conniff's stone is carved with a musical staff showing the famous first notes of "Somewhere My Love." Carl Wilson of The Beach Boys and his mother, Audree, are both buried here. Wilson's stone is simply carved with two shiny hearts and calls him "The heart and voice of an angel." His mother's marker, which is not next to his, labels her "the original Surfer Girl." Minnie Riperton is buried here also, and her stone, now long faded, carries the first line of "Loving You."

Some stars have markers as simple and straightforward as possible. I skipped right over Sebastian Cabot's marker at first.  It's just one of many similar, small markers in a large patch of them. "Family Affair's" Mr. French is not too far from his co-star on that show, Brian "Uncle Bill" Keith. Keith is buried in a garden-like part of the park, along with his daughter, Daisy. She was just 27 when she committed suicide in 1997, an ailing and saddened Keith followed with his own suicide 10 weeks later. His story is just one of many heartbreaking tales that the markers here cannot even begin to share.


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Carroll O’Connor and his son rest together.

Also in the garden-like area is one of my favorite actors, Carroll O'Connor, a.k.a. Archie Bunker. O'Connor is buried with his beloved son, Hugh, who committed suicide after being unable to free himself from drug addiction. O'Connor made news after Hugh's death by helping to pass California's Drug Dealers Civil Liability Act. He was later sued for slander and invasion of privacy by the man he said dealt drugs to his son. O'Connor won the lawsuit.

Two famous murder victims also lie in Westwood Village. Playmate Dorothy Stratten's grave has a long and touching quote from "Farewell to Arms" that haunts me still. It reads: “If people bring so much courage to this world the world has to kill them to break them, so of course it kills them. The world breaks every one and afterward many are strong at the broken places. But those that will not break it kills. It kills the very good, and the very gentle, and the very brave impartially. If you are none of these you can be sure it will kill you too, but there will be no special hurry.”

Dominique Dunne, star of "Poltergeist" and daughter of writer Dominick Dunne, is also buried in the park. Her stone is simple, has no long quote, and no indication of the details surrounding her murder. The boyfriend who strangled her was convicted only of manslaughter and was released after serving less than four years. Young Heather O'Rourke, another "Poltergeist" star, is also buried in Westwood Village -- she was just 12 when she died after emergency surgery.

On the lighter side of things, some gravestones actually bring a smile to a viewer's face. Rodney Dangerfield famously claimed that he got no respect while alive, and his marker carries on with that same self-deprecating attitude. It features only his name, and the words "There goes the neighborhood."

Director Billy Wilder has some fun final words, too. His stone reads "I'm a writer, but nobody's perfect."  And Jack Lemmon's stone may look incomplete at first, but it's funny, too. It simply reads: "Jack Lemmon in."

Some famous people aren't in Westwood Village yet, but they will be. We discovered a marker carved for Ray Bradbury, author of "Fahrenheit 451," but it was kind of leaning up against a stone wall and apparently not permanently placed yet. Which makes sense, since the famed science-fiction author is still living.

Los Angeles whizzes with activity, from Disneyland's rides to the crashing waves of the Pacific to the latest hot restaurant. But I'll always treasure our quiet, sunny Saturday at Westwood Village. I've had people tell me they think visiting cemeteries is ghoulish or makes them uncomfortable, but as long as visitors are respectful, I don't see it that way. It's a reminder that all of us, even the most famous, only have a short time on this earth, and no one, not even the richest, can buy one extra day.

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IF you want to see more famous graves just go to www.findagrave.com

It is one of my favorite places
Ray Bradbury's tombstone already made somehow doesn't seem as strange as it should be.

Personally I hope to someday visit the Hollywood Memorial Cemetery, or Hollywood Forever as it is called now.  It has some of Hollywood's greatest yet fell into disrepair and was in danger of closing.  Thankfully the new owners give it and it's residents the respect they deserve.
I like findagrave.com, I typed in my own name and found a singer and actor from the 30's and 40's, which is cool and a bit morbid at the same time.
Gael....this was a wonderful post.  Thanks for sharing it with us!!
Dear Ms. Fashingbauer-Cooper:  Westwood Memorial Park is NOT A TOURIST ATTRACTION!  This is a graveyard, a final resting place for people's loved ones, celebrities or not.  There is nothing more disgusting than a bunch of grave diggers like you and your sick flock haunting and disrepecting me and other families while visiting there loved ones.  You should be nothing more than ashamed of yourselves.  Get another hobby and stay the hell away from Westwood.  There are enough sickos in this world...........go find them!
Walter Matthau is there too. Not far from Jack Lemon. The odd couple together again. And what about the rumour that Hugh Hefner owns the empty crypt right next to Marilyn's?
To Lori from Henderson, NV, summer is the perfect time to visit the Hollywood Forever Cemetery.  They have festivities of all kinds and they show classic films on Saturday nights on the mausoleum wall.  They allow low lawn chairs and you can bring beverages, including wine.
Get a grip, Robin. These people are dead, they don't care what you do. Most people come out of respect anyway. As long as people don't vandalize or trash the grave or the cemetery, what's your problem?
I disagree with the notion that cemeteries are only for families and the grieving, and that the curious should stay away (with the understanding that any visitor should conduct themselves with customary quiet and respect in any such situation). Cemetaries, graveyards, or whatever one wishes to call them, around the world (from Westminster Abbey to Arlington National Cemetary) are open to all of the living, and they welcome those who wish to come pay their respects. Just because I want to visit Jack Lemmon's grave and am of no relation, does not mean that I am ghoulish, sick or should be chastised in any way for wanting to visit. Perhaps I just want to stop by, pay my personal respects, and move on. I clearly understand how a grieving family member can be upset by looky-loos who do not have the tact or composure to quietly "take a look about" in a cemetery, but for the rest of us who ocassionally enjoying visiting the graveside of Jack Webb, Rosalind Russell, or Stan Laurel, we will continue to come as we please. Thank you!
To Robin from L.A:
You have GOT to be kidding me! You call her "sick" and a "gravedigger"?? Who better to pay respects to the famous people in that graveyard then the fans..the ones that made them famous in the first place! of course, as long as there is no vandalism it is completely harmless. Do you have a loved one buried there? Was his/her funeral disrupted by tourists? Of all the things in this world to get mad at you choose this?? Stop calling people that you dont know awful names. Act your age. Or are you 14?
Robin, take a pill.
To Robin in LA. Sorry for your loss. You obviously are in the "anger" mode of the grieving process. However, people visit cemetaries all over the country for a variety of reasons. Some are curious about local culture and history, some are curious about unique grave sites. I have never seen any disrespect displayed by casual visitors in any cemetary I have had occasion to visit . My parents and grandparents are all buried close together in a little cemetary in southern Idaho. They were not famous or notorious, but if they had been, I would be pleased if people were interested in coming to see their final resting places. It seems better to me than being forgotten, which is sure to happen to most graves someday.
Robin, LA, CA - The people who go to Westwood (& others) are not using it as a tourist attraction.  They, too, are there paying last respects to someone they adored, loved and respected, even if from afar.  Marilyn Monroe et al had many fans & all of them have the right to visit her final resting place just as you do your loved ones.  Would it better for a grave to go unvisited?  Would you be upset with a large family having all the 2nd cousins twice removed, etc. visit?  Who are you to say how many people should be allowed to visit & how do you even know their relationship to the deceased?  I have been there w/my Mom & others & my Mom cried at several of the sites, recalling memories of this star or that and, for some, mourning the way in which they had passed and how young.  Everyone else I saw there was very respectful & not treating it as a "tourist attraction".  Please have the respect to allow others to grieve in their own way and at their own level, just as others allow you to do the same.  My sympathies for the loss of your loved one.  
Whoa, Robin from L.A., calm down there.  Gael (and her husband I assume) were VERY respectful of where they were.  Her story shows it.  I happen to know them both and am sure of it.  Like it or not, the cemetery is open to the public and anyone has the right to go there.  Chill out and worry abput something else important.  There are many more problems in L.A. than people visiting cemeteries!!!
To Robin,
I understand how you feel, my parents are buried at The National Memorial Cementary of the Pacific In Hawaii), It is a major tourist attraction, we are talking thousands of visitors,who arrive daily in tour buses,
But I also understand how the others feel, because I have been going to cementaries on a regular basis ( I was seven when my mother died) I find them the most peaceful, and beautiful places to be,  I think the number of people who go for alterior motives is extemly small. I think it honors the dead to have strangers come and visit there resting place. we all want to be remembered :)
As an active member of a historical society, an amature genealogist, and one who appreciates nature and art, I think cemeteries are a wonderful place to quietly walk and think, and encourage others to do the same.  We're treated to a glimpse of the past - celebrities and ordinary Joes alike.  There's history, sometimes a bit of humor, and beautiful artwork in gravestones, not to mention the often lovely park-like grounds of many cemeteries.  I'm also actively involved in preservation of long-ignored cemeteries in my area.  All we're trying to do is respect those who have been buried there over the last 300 or so years and make sure they aren't lost forever.  I'd like to extend an apology from those of us who appreciate cemeteries to Robin from LA if a rude individual disrupted her private visit.  But to bunch all of us and label us as "sickos" and "gravediggers" is a bit harsh.
My Dad is buried there. He was an actor (William Hudson) who played in those 50 "B" rated movies, he is not famous, but he is to me and I think it is wonderful to be able to visit any one of those great stars to give them thanks and love in such a small way as saying hello to their markers.  So for all of you who visit there....ENJOY YOURSELVES!
Perhaps Robin should watch the History channel.  Just the other day they had a show on cemetaries.  It seems the idea of cemetaries such as the one discussed in the blog came from the victorians.  They created these places so that people could get out of dirty cities (Which had no room for cemetaries any longer since they were most often part of church grounds and already full!)pay respects to loved ones or friends and enjoy nature.  In fact according to the show cemetaries came into existence even before parks and our country's national park system!  To repeat everyone else's comments..as long as "lookers" act with respect and proper behavior.  What is the harm in touring a cemetary and admiring a humorous quote on a marker or even an elaborate one that someone paid dearly for and the creator (stonemason, etc) should or would like to have admired?  I live in a very historic part of the country and some cemetary tours are done to educate people on our country's history!  Is that wrong too Robin? Really Robin...chill!
Gael, thank you for your article. I too have, respectfully, walked amongst the headstones. Your words spoke my feelings.

My Grandfather, Aunt and an Uncle are all within 20 paces of Betty Davis. When I have gone there to pay my respects my mind wanders and wonders as I read the headstones. “What were they like”? “Did they make a difference”? Or when I find that the span between the two years engraved is soo short, “Why did this life end too soon”? - Sometimes looking down the path (which is enevetable), allows us to come back to present and ask ourselves, “What can I do today, to make a difference”? (which is possible).
Robin,
We go there to honor them, and to briefly be near a bit of fame that most of us will never know. It's a natural human response. I took my daughter there, and it made her realize the humanity associated with the people she sees in the media. Some of these people became so ingrained in my life that I felt as if they were friends. It was nice to go say goodbye on a personal level. I hope they heard me.
Gael:
It was interesting to see and hear about the graves of celebrities,especially some of my favorites-Natalie Wood,Sebastian Cabot and Brian Keith.
Hey Robin in LA!  Get a freakin clue!!  They weren't having a party over some tombstone, they were "respectfully" visiting the dead!  Give me a break!  My father is buried at Arlington National Cemetary and if your beliefs about visitors to a cemetary is even close...then we'd have to close one of our national treasures to the public.  Get over yourself!
Robin in LA - you're waaay off base!  Cemetaries exist so people can visit them!  My father is buried in Arlington National Cemetary in D.C. - if we apply your false beliefs, we'd have to close this beautiful landmark (filled w/ presidents and other dignitaries) to the public.  What a joke.  Grow Up!
You forgot a very famous grave at Forest Lawn... that of Hopalong Cassidy(william Boyd). In a mausoleum, on a flat marble slab is inscribed "Hoppy". A kids real hero from when America honored it's heroes.
Wonderful post, and so glad you enjoyed your day at Westwood. There are so many ways to see celebs beneath Los Angeles -- you just touched the surface. Check out www.beneathlosangeles.com for photos of your favorite celebrities. For locations, nothing beats www.findagrave.com. Finally, if you want to meet others who have the same avocation, check out www.hollywood-underground.com. We're marking our 10th year in October with our annual dinner. This year, it will be staged at Matteo's in Westwood -- a favorite hangout of the Rat Pack. Previous years, we had our annual dinner at Hollywood Forever in the chapel and in the Cathedral Mausoleum, where Valentino and Peter Lorre (among others) are interred. It's a fascinating -- and fun -- hobby!
I've been to Westwood Village Memorial Park many times, while I was living in LA. A dear friend of the family passed away many years ago and they had the service at the chapel there. Each time I've gone there, everyone has always conducted themselves with the upmost respect for those buried there. It is not treated like a "cheap" tourist attraction and for that, I am most grateful. It is in fact a very special place, especially since you feel so close to the famous people who made L.A. the movie capital of the world. Thanks for the wonderful article and for sharing your thoughts.

Nicely written piece on a treasurable experience.  Felt I was there but since I wasn't, made me want to go. Not too soon, of course!
Lori, I visited the Hollywood Forever Cemetery last year on a whim.  If you're a fan of Old Hollywood, then it's definitely worth the visit--Rudolph Valentino, Cecil B. DeMille, Douglas Fairbanks, and Fay Wray (among others) are buried there.  Plus, the staff is friendly, and I don't think they mind tourists as long as they are respectful.
Robin...
My grandparents are buried in Westwood Memorial, and I personally don't have a problem at all with folks coming to visit Marilyn and the other celebs. It is a very nice cemetary and the staff are very courteous, and I have always found people to be quite respectful in my visits there. Relax.
Robin....Lighten up.When I was young, our extended family would take a walk in the nearby cemetery after Sunday dinners. There were no parks nearby, and it was green, safe and quiet.I can't help but think that the souls of those interred there must have taken delight in the young children strolling with their elders bringing laughter,youth and light to such a place.
To Robin in LA - In rereading the article, I did not see mentioned anywhere that the author brought along a shovel. Where does this accusation of grave robbing come from? A graveyard is a public place and so long as no one is out there desecrating the graves of those buried there or climbing the fence after the gates are closed for the day, your comments are utterly baseless. It is perfectly normal to visit the grave of someone you knew or simply a person that was admired, like a celebrity. You do not own Westwood, nor is your loved one the only person buried there. Perhaps you should learn to respect others and get the big chip off your shoulder.
I have to agree with the majority of the posts that responded to poor, misguided Robin of LA. I wonder if Robin has ever traveled to our Nation's Capital. The cemetary at Arlington is a huge tourist "attraction" that is visited by thousands of citizens and non-citizens alike every day. The many times I have gone there I have seen nothing but respect and quiet introspection - particularly at the graves of JFK and Jackie and at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. It is not only a testament to the scope of loss felt by some but also a powerful statement that America treasures her past and her heroes.
As a child growing up in the South, I have a healthy respect (as well as fascination) with cemetaries. Every Decoration Day (aka the Sunday of Memorial Day weekend, usually), we would gather with numerous other families at the country cemetary where my grandfather is buried. We would clean the stone if needed and place flowers on the graves of relatives - then we'd have the best potluck lunch you've ever seen. From fried chicken and potato salad to banana cake and pecan pie, it was all there! And all homemade back in those idyllic days...

That said, I was taught to respect cemetaries (never walk across a grave, for instance, and speak quietly) and I was fascinated by the history contained therein. I think it's very sad when you see a cemetary that's overgrown and obviously never visited. And regarding celebrities - these folks worked like dogs their entire lives to achieve what they did in their chosen fields. To be recognized in life and forgotten in death is also very sad to me.

I guess for some people, it's just easier to ignore folks once they're gone.
Great article about one of my two favorite places on earth, the other being Hollywood Forever, where I plan to stay forever when my time comes. Thank you Harry for plugging my site. I invite you all to enjoy BeneathLosAngeles.com, and see that we really are respectful fans, not ghoulish "grave diggers."
My uncle used to live in PA, and he had a grave picked out and a stone built the way he wanted, so if he should pass, it was all setup.
But, he retired and decided to move back home to MA, so he had to sell the plot and destroy the stone. Oh well. But - his family had a 16 plot grave, so he was able to be buried with his parents.
Thankyou for your kind, sensitive, and interesting article on the final resting places of our beloved artists. For some people to think that visiting a cemetary is ghoulish is just one more sign of our decaying culture. Outside of our "MTV" world, visiting your "deceased" ancestors or friends is a sign of respect. In the Buddhist philosophy, the deceased are a constant reminder that this life is temporary, there is no time to waste....being a compassionate person starts NOW!
I almost forgot ... If you ever get the chance to visit the famous Forest Lawn Hollywood Hills (where my grandparents happen to be), make sure you seek out Telly Savalas's final resting place, up on the southeast end of the memorial park. It is one of the most beautiful there, and it is almost somewhat poignant that his brother George (who played Stavros on the Kojak series) is right beside Telly. Both markers include their Greek-given names as well.
Paying respects to the dead can be a wonderful thing.  I've never been to the Hollywood cemetary, but I've been to Lincoln's tomb a few times, most recently last year.  It feels wonderful to honor someone with a visit to their final resting place.
I work for the US Army and travel quite a bit. When I go to new places, I try to study a bit of the history, and I often find myself visiting cemetaries, to connect to the people of the past, that made that city, state and country.  Even though I've been to DC many times, I visit Arlington Cemetary, every chance I get, not to ogle, or be disrespectful or for ghoulish reasons, but to pay my respects and thanks to all our military who have paid this country's high cost for freedom. Should I ever get the chance to visit Westwood, I'm sure that it will be with memories and thanks for the many hours of enjoyment I've had from the entertainers buried there.  The private citizen buried there will also be treated with respect.
In many cultures it is not considered "ghoulish" to spend time with the dead.  In fact there is a Day of the Dead celebrated in many countries.  I personally enjoy a quiet day at the cemetary.  They often have beautiful landscaping. A local cemetary is even a local bird watch zone. On weekends you can see respectful, quiet people enjoying themselves and the beauty that is around them.  So I don't agree with poor Robin, a cemetary is a place to pay your respects, and ANYONE is welcome as long as they are polite and respectful.  
What a very wonderful and insightful testpattern entry!  I always come to this site everyday and was just fascinated with what you had to share Gael!  Thank you!  
Visiting cemetaries is common for those engaged in geneological research. My sister has travelled across various states searching out cemetaries and gravestones for distant family members are in to copy down information and occassionally take rubbings or pictures for the family archives. There is nothing disrespectful in trying to maintain a record of a person's existance (especially in old cemetaries or weathered stones). Those who are disruptive and rude are being impolite, but polite visitors are usually welcome. Many celebrities don't mind the idea of visitors.

Recently one of the tour guides who takes people to Edgar Allan Poe's gravesite admitted to making up the story of the strange visitor to help save the cemetary.

The US has removed the notion of death from our homes. My mother remembers "sitting up with the dead" before a funeral. It used to be common to have your dead relatives laid out in your home. There are pictures in our family albums of my grandfather's siblings who died when infants. Yes, they are dead in the pictures. It is the only way to save their images.

No, this is not all talking about celebrities, but you never know if the person wandering around is visiting grandma or the celebrity down the way. The celebrity may also be a relative.
As have many others, I too must defend Gael.  Her post conveys her sincere respect for those buried in Westwood Cemetery.  

I also have the good fortune of knowing this woman and have seen her behavior (and that of the friend that accompanied her on the visit) in a cemetery.  She distinguishes herself with nothing but great courtesy and compassion towards the buried and their families.
I was lucky enough to visit the Non-Catholic & Foreigners Cemetery in Rome a few months ago and it is one of the most breathtakingly beautiful places I have ever seen.  I have always loved visiting cemeteries, since I was a small child.  There are so many stories to be told from one stone to the next.  I have never left a cemetery without discovering someone I would have liked to met in life.  In Rome it was Generale Nicola Chiari whose stone was inscribed with the words "Rosebud.  What does that mean?"  In a churchyard in Wales it was a man named Joseph Giggle.  There is nothing irreverent or disrespectful here.  One thing I always do is find the most neglected stone in the cemetery and spend some time there paying respect and attention to someone who seems to have been forgotten.  You see, Robin, not all non-mourning visitors to cemeteries are "sickos."  In fact, most of us are there to do exactly what cemeteries where created for.  To remember those who are no longer with us.
I'm sorry that Robin was so angry about visitors to the cemetery.  My husband's hobby is geneology and history, and he has begun taking his digital camera to cemeteries in our state.  He takes pictures of the graves of people he doesn't even know, and then he posts them on a website for everyone.  He has received many letters of gratitude from relatives from far away who have found the grave of a lost relative on the website.  They have no way of visiting to look for it themselves, so they appreciate so much the fact that he takes the time to do this for strangers.  He is always respectful.  
Fantastic article, Gael. I live in Savannah,GA and our cemetaries are probably the most popular tourist attraction. We don't mind at all. Oh! But quick tip for those who leave pennies - they stain marble, especially light/white marble. PLEASE DON'T leave pennies. Small rocks are the same meaning and won't harm the stone.
I enjoyed the article! But more importantly I have been trying  to research as to what it means when people leave pennies on a grave. So Dee could you shed some light on that for me?!? Thanks!
I FIND CEMETERIES A PEACEFUL PLACE FOR THE LIVING. IT GIVES YOU A CHANCE TO REFLECT ON YOUR OWN LIFE AND OF THOSE DEPARTED.I WISH I HAD A CHANCE TO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THEIR LIVES.SEEING THEIR PICTURES MAKES IT MORE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. WE MUST RESPECT THE CEMETERIES, AFTER ALL WE ARE ALL GOING THERE!


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