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Is my iPod saying I'm old?!

Posted: Thursday, July 03, 2008 5:00 AM by Anna Chan
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Even at the ripe old age of 29, I feel like I'm closer to 18 than 30. And judging from the tunes on my iPod, I may as well still be in my teens, because my taste in music is pretty firmly stuck in the past.

What's considered hot today just doesn't do it for me. Amy Winehouse? Yawn. Her antics entertain me more than her music. The same goes for Kanye West. Kid Rock's style of the rap/rock hybrid has been done before, and by much more talented musicians (Rage Against the Machine, for example).

Now don't get me wrong. I'm certainly no music snob (how can I be? Nelson was my first favorite band). I just seem to prefer the oldies but goodies of my "younger" years, and  Nine Inch Nails is the only band whose new albums I always rush out to buy on release day. Otherwise, I stick by my staples: Guns 'n' Roses, Depeche Mode and Hate Dept.

It's not that I dislike all of the new music (I heart Justin Timberlake's "FutureSex/LoveSounds" and Britney Spears' "Blackout"), it's just that most of what gets played on the radio today sounds boring to my ancient ears, regardless of genre. And so, I've been loading up my iPod with old favorites and leaving my car radio set to Air America.

What's on my Shuffle, you ask? Here are some of the musicians:

  • Nine Inch Nails (they take up half the memory in my iPod)
  • Justin Timberlake
  • Britney Spears
  • KMFDM
  • Aerosmith
  • Eminem
  • Kylie Minogue
  • Guns 'n' Roses
  • Sonic Youth
  • Prodigy
  • Meat Beat Manifesto
  • Screaming Trees

As you can see, a lot of those artists reached the heights of their fame in the '90s. And if you were to look at my CD collection, you'd find maybe 10 or 15 albums that are from 2000 to 2008. Like I said, I'm stuck in the glorious -- if recent -- past.

What does your iPod or CD collection say about you? What do you find yourself listening to most?

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I'm with the majority- I'm hard pressed to find much new music interesting these days- its a little bit "lame". My iPod has a lot of 80's pop (Paul Young, Come Back & Stay, Bananarama I heard a Rumor), but also some good disco (Thre Three Degrees, Odyssey- Native New Yorker). I do have some modern day electronic music- Thievery Corp. or Goldfrapp, etc.
... and I'm embarassed to say I may have 1 or 2 Enrique Iglesias songs...
this old NoDak boy has a ton of surf music (Brian Wilson, Beach Boys, Jeffrey Foskett, Dick Dale), Rundgren, Gary Moore, Lighthouse, Chris Rea, and other good ol' music.  Newer stuff includes Wondermints, Sheryl Crow, Barenaked Ladies, and even a touch of (the real) King David.

but it's skewed older because that was the music of my developing life.  nothing wrong with that, anybody whose pod persona is al new stuff is active in the business.
I'm like everyone else here - I have a strange eclectic mix.  I have playlists for the 80s, Classic Rock (Cream, CCR, Foghat),  "the Craptastic 90s" (think Vanilla Ice, Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch, New Kids on the Block, Technotronic), and my gym mix includes everything from Pat Benetar to CCR to Justin Timberlake, Kinky and Daft Punk.  I have playlists for classical/opera, music from movies, Motown classics, and everything in between.  I have a Napster subscription, so I will sometimes spend HOURS just wandering around trying out new stuff :)
I don't understand why people are stuck thinking that when you are a certain age you must listen to a certain genre of music.  That's insane.  Your musical taste is your music taste.  I grew up listening to everything under the sun.  That has never changed.  I hope some of you will one day broaden your musical horizons.  There is so much you're missing out on!!  You'd be surprised at some of the music out there that is new that you'd very much enjoy.  For me, there's so much excitement to be had when looking to find a new band with a new sound.  Or even a new band with an old sound.  I've been listening to a lot of that lately.  But, don't get me wrong, I still listen to a bunch of old stuff and "old" stuff from the 90's.  

For the love of music, buy a record!!!  A record record.  Vinyl is very much making a come back.  I love buying the CD and record when a new album comes out to have it on both mediums.  Older albums are being rereleased on vinyl.  A bunch of new records that come out come with a coupon to be able to download the mp3's of the album off the band's or label's website.  See, you REALLY can have your cake and eat it too.  And let me tell you people, it tastes GOOOOOD!  Plus, vinyl sounds so much better.  haha
My Zune (far superior to Apple's IAutomaton) says that I like music made by talented people...not the flavor of the month on Billboard.  Aerosmith, Boston, Led Zepplin, Rush, The Who, Van Halen...you know, musicians.  True musicians.  Not weenies who learn 3 chords and then call themselves guitar players.
Mine says that I'm going to keep 'em guessing. Sometimes it's not about the genre, but about the what moves you.
Some of the artists I have: Led Zeppelin, Nikka Costa, Earth Wind & Fire, Dandy Warhols, U2, Gorillaz, Alabama, Ludacris, Missy Elliot, INXS, Megadeth, Audioslave, Coldplay, Crosby Stills & Nash... I could go on.

And for the record, I'm a 36 yr old mom to a toddler.
I may be fifteen, but if you look at my iPod, most of it will look like I'm my dad's age (48). Most of the stuff on the radio all sounds the same to me today. So, I go back to the seventies and sixties and sometimes the eighties for my music. I much prefer, say, The Eagles, to any modern band. I'm gonna sound like a huge music snob when I say this, but most of the bands now sound the same. Why would anyone want to listen to the same thing on every top 40 radio station out there?
At 42 most of my iPod is stuff I listened to in high school. Over half is The Beatles and McCartney solo stuff. Genesis, Jethro Tull, and some Grateful Dead. But I do like alot of current bands - mostly from Great Britain. Kasabian, British Sea Power, and Snow Patrol fit right in with my older faves!
My guess for downloading the old tunes is because there is not much worth listening to these days.  Most artists today are one hit wonders.  Face it, AC/CD, Def Leppard.. now those were albums you could buy and like almost the whole album.  I would suspect that is why downloading is so popular today so you don't have to download the rest of the crap that is on the albums.  There are a few good groups out there today but not many.
Newer music doesn't excite me. It just feels like it's all been played before and when I listen to a "new" song I can usually predict all the lyrical rhymes and chord changes.

My Archos 504 has 80GB full of music, but very little of it is from the last several years. More recent bands on my player include 30 Seconds to Mars, Lacuna Coil, Gentleman (reggae), but I still stick to my NIN, RATM, Bob Marley, etc.

It seems the only place to find exciting music is on MySpace, not the radio. I've found so many interesting bands on there and have happily bought their CDs/MP3s. I don't need the radio telling me "what's hot" just so a record label can make money and the best undiscovered artists can go without.

In the past two months I've bought music from:
* Project Music: Beatboxing flute, cello, bass - so fun and funky.
* Avi Ghosh: A kid from Little Rock whose industrial music would not sound out of place on an NIN album.
* The Dreaming: The former singer of Stabbing Westward's new emo-yet-absolutely-rocking band.
Your iPod may not say "I'm old," but your article says, "I'm worried that people think old."

GET OVER IT! Or else I'm going to send Kim Gordon to smack you up side the head with her bass guitar. Kim Deal will be next, and she'll mess you up ;-)
I'm 43 and don't own and Ipod, but I do download iTunes music.  Yes, I love 70s/80s music, but I have current stuff too, thanks to my son, who keeps me somewhat up to date.  I don't have time to investigate everything out there music-wise since this too has exploded with the internet.  I like my classic Fleetwood Mac, AC/DC, and Heart, my funk/disco Gap Band and Ohio Players, but I also like Kid Rock, Sheryl Crow, and Audioslave, though I never quite understood the attraction of Britney Spears (to each his/her own).

I love the ability to mix my own playlists rather than being hostage to buying a CD at $15-$18 of one artist where half the songs are crap.  I don't care what others think of my musical tastes either!  If someone thinks I'm old, well, it's true that I'm getting there (preferable to the alternative), but I'm having fun and grooving out in my car to music I like.  Rock on, middle-aged moms!
My iPod is another one that says how may people put music on it.  I am 37 - and most of what is in it is 80's.  After all, I was an 80's teen - totally in love with Duran Duran (still am - Red Carpet Massacre is a great CD).  So you will find:
Ray Charles
Garth Brooks
Thompson Twins
Pussycat Dolls
Kanye West
Duran Duran
Mister Mister
Carrie Underwood
Patsy Cline
The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian Soundtrack
Dreamgirls Soundtrack
Hairspray Soundtrack
Alicia Keys; and
Bob Marley.

That list is not everyone - just to show I am all over the place.
Well, I'm 58 and don't even have an Ipod.  But the nusic I listen to and make mix CDs from is not from my youth, and is very diverse.  Lately it's been Celtic Woman, Julianne Hough, Miley Cyrus, Martine McCutcheon, Rachel Farris, Kay Hanley, Jewel, Mandy Moore.  Lots of times I'll hear a song in a movie soundtrack and hunt down that artist.
So many posts that talk about havign 80's and 90's music says two things...A) MSNBC readers skew older and B) the new millineum has brought about a vast wasteland of anything new or exciting. Even my 14 old nephew had more older music than new stuff.
Amen, brother!  90's pop/rock/r&b/hip-hop was just better.  There are a few innovative & talented newcomers on my iPod -- John Mayer, Jill Scott, Britney Spears (say what you want about her antics, but her CD is good!) -- but by and large 90's music was more intelligent, innovative, and had more depth.  

Wow, I really have turned into my parents haven't I?
My iPod is a HUGE mix of different music from different genres and decades. One minute I could be listening to a Fall Out Boy dong and the next song after it is a song from the German industrial heavy metal band Rammstein. I have Elvis mixed with Rage Against the Machine. *N Sync next to Sevendust. My iPod shouldn't make me feel a certain age.....I just love music....ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF MUSIC!!!
Mine is a hodge-podge of a very wide range of music.  I have lighter fare, like Tom Petty, Jack Johnson, and John Mellencamp, to heavy metal like Iced Earth, Bolt Thrower, and DevilDriver.  And everything in-between, like Sugar Ray, Alanis Morisette, Fuel, and Nickelback.  Except for County and Rap, both which I don't consider to be music.
Great article. I am 38 and still feel closer to 18. My playlist is mostly 80's 90's and 00's with some 70's and 60's mixed in. How is that for specific.

While I still have AC/DC, Beatles, Bon Jovi, The Cure, Dire Straits, The Doors, Foo Fighters, Green Day, INXS, The Pogues, Queen, U2 on my ipod, (with lots) more, there are a lot of good bands making music in the 00's:

Franz Ferdinand, Arctic Monkeys, Death Cab for Cutie, Jet, The Raconteurs, She Wants Revenge, Weezer, Audioslave, The Bravery, Decemberists, Flogging Molly, The Kooks, Modest Mouse, The Shins, etc etc.

The problem for me now is finding new music, since I don't listen to the radio anymore. It takes a lot more research and time searching around music websites, trying to find stuff I like. But the end result can be great!
I am 28 soon to be 29 and I feel music makes the person who they are. I have so many different types of music that just takes me back to my "good old days" I have any thing from ABBA to Zeppelin! I try to hear the new so called music that is out there but find I just keep going back to my old friends! Just look at this way if you like it and no matter how old you are who cares what others think! You are only as old as you feel :-)
I'm 45 but you wouldn't know it by looking at my IPod. 90% of my music was made in the last 6 years or so. Most of the groups I listen to, the band members are 25 years or younger. Pop-punk, post hard core, emo, screamo, power pop, spunk rock, etc, etc. Love the classics, Stones, Zepplin, Police, U2, Pink Floyd, but just haven't listened to them in such a long time. Circa Survive, Zolof The Rock and Roll Destroyer, Paramore, VersaEmerge, Story of the Year, etc, ect rule my Mini, and everyone else who played at the Warped Tour. I refuse to be stuck in the past!!!
For me, the magic of the iPod is that I can collect music from a myriad of genres, hit "shuffle" and then sit back and enjoy the amazing juxtapositions of Keb Mo next to Astrud Gilberto next to Ben Harper next to David Gray next to Itzhak Perlman next to Jack Johnson next to 50 Cent next to Rage Against the Machine . . .  

The iPod can be a Time Machine for those who want to travel back to earlier times but I look at it more as a Timeless Machine.  "Wild Horses" by the Stones vs. "Wild Horses" covered by Tim Ries with Norah Jones epitomize that timelessness -- both renditions are amazing and evoke strong feelings. And their particular time in the continuum is irrelevant. It's truly about the heart and soul of music and the iPod concept delivers that feeling to perfection!
Some of you are scaring me...."too old too fast" ?

I am 55 and I have everything from Elvis to Rilo Kiley. Tend to favor Springsteen though....My kids are the same....varied and across all genre's. However I do stay away from Rap...Kanye sucks. Winehouse is a train wreck but talented.....Britney will NEVER occupy space on my "pod".....
Today's music is just awful. Ever wonder why today's artists keep remaking songs from the 80s and 90s? Uh, because they're the BEST! Same with movies. Bands like Coldplay just make me want to puke. Give me some rock like Van Halen and Aerosmith!
So good to know that I am not the only "hanger on" from the 90's!  Someone commented about always loving music from your teen years, and it is incredibly true...my teen years were filled with New Kids on the Block (sooo happy they are back), New Edition, Bobby Brown, Paula Abdul and Color Me Badd, but luckily my mother was heavily influencing me with the music of her days, so my ipod has all of those listed above and Frank Sinatra, Rose Royce, Lou Rawls, Santana, the Temptations and many more.  While I enjoy the occasional Justin Timberlake song, or Kanye West jam...my heart is firmly planted with the Oldies but Goodies...
Hey, don't feel bad!  There's a very good reason that your iPod is filled with 90's or older bands...the music back then was simply better.  I'm 27 and my iTunes playlist is mostly from the grunge era (Nirvana, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam). Just wait, kids these days will eventually grow tired of the current pop/"rock" music, and they'll discover these old jems and find out just how good music could be if it isn't formulated by some corporate clown at a big lable.
Anna, you can still find groundbreaking new stuff, just not in the mainstream.  As a huge Depeche Mode and electronic fan, I share many of the groups you list.  May I suggest to you the groups Shpongle (Nothing Lasts... but Nothing is Lost is the best album--er, cd--ever) Younger Brother (spinoff from Shpongle), and Infected Mushroom
Any psychiatrist viewing the songs on my ipod would definitely conclude it's owned by a multiple personality psyco.  One of the original ipods, it contains great opera arias, Mozart, Bach, Vivaldi and Beethoven before moving into the 60's through the 90's.  In that period you'll find Otis Redding, Sam Cooke, Marvin Gaye and move onto the Stones, Beatles, almost anything U2 and Pink Floyd with a healthy sampling of The Who and Gund 'n Roses.  Elton John makes an appearance or two as does Johnny Cash.  There is also a sampling of The Eagles, Joe Cocker, INXS and even some hip hop.  At 62, I still can't find myself.  Somebody help me.
i have lots of heavy metal(different styles of the genre). but as much as i like it, even i get headaches from it. so, i actually have alot of blues, ranging from "real blues" from different eras to more "rock" blues. i even have SOME rap, but more of that layed back kind of rap(if you understand what i mean) from the late 90s(i.e. snoop dogg, 2pac)
I feel the hippest of all...I would never waste money on an iPod!
My shuffle says I'm a redneck, rock loving kid that lives back in the early 70's.
Rage IS better than Kid Rock... to say other wise the comment should begin with "you might be a redneck if...."
You can't wait for music that moves you to come to you, you need to seek it out. With the decline of the broadcasting industry and the rise of the internet you can no longer afford to be a lazy music fan. As for my iPod? Master's Hammer to Miles Davis. Tangerine Dream to NoMeansNo.
I'm only 14, but I don't listen to any of the music that comes out today. Sure, I have a few of The Fray, one Kanye West, some Lily Allen, but really not all that much. My iPod consists of 1/3 Beatles, 1/5 Johnny Cash, and a mishmash of things from the 70's and 80's. If someone were to look at me solely from my iPod, they'd probably guess I'm my parents' age :D
I'm 39 and more hip than you, still more up to date, listen to older music than you, and newer music than you and to a lot wider breadth of genres. So, I'm well qualified to answer your question, I don't think should be so much about "oldness" as about "slowness" -- at best maybe you are just stuck in a grove. But the fact is: Yes, that playlist of yours definitely does say something.
Anna will you marry me?  Because if we were living together and you were in a rush one morning and picked up my iPod by mistake you couldn't tell it was your iPod and not mine.  Okay, I might have some more Foreigner on it than I should, but other than that...
How in the world can you feel old at 29?
Sheesh - you've got a whole life ahead of you.  
Yea Yea Yea! Just listen to the music.
your not old you just have bad taste in music thats all. spears blackout are you kidding me guns and roses i can see but spears?
What's an IPOD?  45's are the best.  It's good exercise to get up and change songs each time.
AGE has nothing to do with TALENT, good music is good music.  Most of the cr*p that is released now is not worth the money people are spending to produce it let alone buy it.  I LOVE Classic Rock and though I don't have an I-Pod, it is what I listen to on my Sirius radio,  I have over 100 channels to choose from and that' what I keep going back to.  Want to know my age 37, if that makes me old then so be it but I enjoy good music and it's not based on when the song was published.
I also have the iPod that looks like everyone I've ever met uses it.  I got a degree in music, and maybe because I studied it so extensively, I tend to have more eclectic taste than most (my friends all think I am NUTS)

I have everything from Gregorian Chant to The Roots to Hank Williams to The Rolling Stones to Panic! At the Disco to Broadway to Mozart.  I always try to listen to something new or different, and love seeing what has changed with music, as well as what stays the same.  It also helps that my husband is a music journalist, so we get to see famous bands in larger arenas as well as new groups in small venues.  When he interviews them and asks the obligatory, "Who are your musical influences?", 9 out of 10 list one or all of the following bands:  The Beatles, The Ramones, The Rolling Stones, and Led Zepplin.  I would love a young musician to say "My biggest musical influence is Johannes de Garlandia".  Or even "George Clinton" or "Patti LaBelle".  Something different or unique or unusual.  I would love someone to come right out and say that they are most influenced by "Echo and the Bunnymen".  Wouldn't that just rock?

I do agree, though, that we all tend to get stuck in our younger years for our favorite music.  As much as I try to be different and try to grow and expand my musical taste, I always find my way back to Pearl Jam and Janes Addiction.  
At 55 years old, I've got a decently eclectic bunch of tunes on my 'pod, but I'll tell you, I've really been into this band, The Brakes, out of Philadelphia. What a band... that just hasn't gotten it's due yet...
Definitely worth a listen.

Mine has a curious mix of anime and video game soundtracks, J-rock and J-pop (Japanese rock and pop for those not in the know), alternative music, rock, pop, and country. I LOVE music from the '60s and '70s (especially the Beatles and the Rolling Stones), and I was born in freaking 1985! But I just love music, and just about any genre; no rap, no blue grass, no Broadway, and not too much classical. There is a small amount of classical, but it annoys me to listen to it too much.
NIN sucks nowadays, its just Trent making crappy mixes. Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake? Come on, those beats are created for them, not made by them (not to mention the lyrics are so generic and juvenile it nearly makes your head explode). And you DON'T like Amy Winehouse or Kanye - two of the two top 40 artists that actually have raw talent? You aren't old, your music lacks quality. There was some good stuff in the 90s, but if you can't find good, new music, you simply aren't looking. Try some Arcade Fire or Interpol, looking for good music in the top 40s and staying in one decade is fail.
I think that this is one of the greatest things about the mp3's.  The fact that you can go from one genre to the next, go from one era to the next, from one great artist to the next, all with the Shuffle mode.  I don't think this "dates" us, I think this makes us all "un-ageable"! Remember, "variety is the spice of life".
So maybe we boomers can be forgiven for still listening to 60's and 70's music now that Gen X can't get past their own musically formative years...


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