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Sunday, Honor, Knox...baby names gone wild

Posted: Monday, July 14, 2008 5:30 AM by Gael Fashingbauer Cooper
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Nothing's as personal as your first name. Mine is short, which is nice, but it also saddles me with an unusual (Irish) spelling. So I went through childhood unable to find anything personalized, and having to correct people who spelled my name GAIL, GALE, GAYLE or with any other variant. But the more I read about celebrity baby names, the less I have to complain about.

The latest names, of course, are Knox Leon and Vivienne Marcheline, the son and daughter of Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie. I think Vivienne is quite pretty, and of course Marcheline was the first name of Angelina's late mother. Nothing wrong with honoring your mom.

It's "Knox" that makes me giggle. I always want to follow it up with "Blox," as in "Knox Blox," the cubed JELL-O treat we made as kids. I guess the family wanted all their sons' names to end with "X" -- witness brothers Maddox and Pax. And he continues the never-ending trend of giving babies first names that were commonly used only as last names. (Since my last name is Cooper, I'm amazed at how many little-kid Coopers I meet. Guess we should be flattered.)




This latest batch of star baby names hasn't been that bad. I'll admit it: I kind of like Sunday Rose Kidman Urban, the name Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban gave their baby. "Sunday Rose" has an elegant sound to it. Unfortunately, "Sunday Urban" sounds like a new section in the weekend newspaper. And you just know for the rest of her life, she'll be asked if she was born on a Sunday (she wasn't -- it was a Monday). My niece April, born in June, can relate.

Jessica Alba's daughter is Honor Marie Warren. I like that, too. "Honor" makes me think of Honor Blackman the Bond girl, and names that espouse virtues (Honor, Faith, Hope, Charity) are underused in our world. Marie, though, was the go-to middle name when I was a kid -- every girl I knew had it.

I don't really mind Maddie Briann, although the Madeline/Madeleine/Madison name trend really should run its course. These girls are to their generation what Lisa, Kim and Amy are to mine. You know all their lunches will say "Maddie A." or whatever their last initial is.

And I even like Nicole Richie's choice, Harlow Winter Kate Madden. Harlow makes me think of Jean Harlow and old movie glamour, and Winter is just a pretty word.

I am not so charitable about other celeb choices. I will never warm to Apple -- sorry, Gwyneth. I'm not really a fan of Suri or Shiloh. I always find myself humming that Neil Diamond song about his imaginary friend.

I recently spent some time updating our celebrity baby-name application, and some of the other celebrity baby names still flummox me. Quick, Easton August Anthony, is that a boy or girl? What about Ever Gabo Anderson? BZZZ, time's up, they're both girls, daughters of Elisabeth Rohm and Milla Jovovich, respectively.

I've written about baby names, before, and I can't close without linking to the most hilarious Web resource for baby-name snarking, Baby's Named a Bad, Bad Thing. I defy you to start reading it and not find a laugh.

Share your thoughts about celeb baby names in the comments.

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Comedian Ralphie May's daughter is April June May. I actually think thats rather cute and clever. My name is Desireah. People never pronounced it right (de-si-ree-ah, de-si-ray-a, diarreah- that was more of a tease from kids, but still). The more common spelling is Desiree. I used to want to change it, but I love it now. Its nice have a name that, in pronounciation, not many people have, and that no one has in the spelling.
I named my daughter Tatiana never dreaming it would be so difficult for so many folks to pronounce or spell. I just thought it was a very feminine and beautiful name, and I wanted her to have something other than a common name.

Unfortunately, immediately following her birth (while we were all still in the hospital...in fact), my MIL unilaterally shortened it to Tasha, which stuck and grew to be how almost everyone refers to her now.

That was never my intent (in fact, I never figured out why Tasha would be the shortened version of Tatiana anyway), but I hope she someday goes back to being called by her full name.
Everyone is entitled to their likes and dislikes. It shouldn't and doesnt matter if someone doesn't like a name. Sorry, but it's not up to everyone else. So for the people who like names such as Jack, John, Rose or Betty- have at it. Names such as Amber-jack, Knox, Suri will be the norm one day- because, times change as do people and names.  There is nothing wrong with deing different- there is nothing wrong with naming a child something that isn't on the top 10 names of the year. Get over it and yourselves no one care what name you prefer.
The person with the strangest name that I have ever meet was Crystal Blu Waters.  Apparently hippie parents giving their children funky names hasn't ended.  While I can appreciate wanting to name your kids something unique, afterall there are far to many people named Chris, of which I am one, let's not go so far out that they will get teased for their name.
I've got to admit that some of the names (Apple, Coco, etc) are a little eccentric but it is the parents choice what to name thier child and their reasons for doing so.

My name is Yaitza (pronounced JA-EAT-SA) and all of my sisters have names starting with a Y (which is pronounced like a J in spanish, we are Puerto Rican) and carry my mother's middle name.  Almost all of my teachers would not call my name during roll call if they thought they would mispronounce it and many schoolmates wanted me to give them a "nickname" to make it easier on them.  When I was younger I succommed to the pressure and came up with Jay as a nickname but as I got older I realized that my name is beautiful and unique.  Now no one but family is allowed to use Jay and everyone refers to me by my God given name.  It has a great backstory to it, is original, and I get tons of compliments on it.  I can't wait until the day I can give my children meaningful and unique names of their own!
My Daughter named my Grand-daughter Crystal Blu Snow.  I hate it!  I think it is horrible to saddle a kid with three slang names for drugs.  
There is nothing bad about the names Knox and Vivienne. While the names may not crack the Top 50 list, they are still names, and beautiful ones at that. Little Knox and Vivienne will grow up with names that can be pronounced easily (like their siblings). While they (Vivienne especially due to her French spelling) may have to spell their names out for people on occasion, their spellings aren't made up or stupid. They are proper and traditional ways of spellings their names. We should be thankful to the Jolie-Pitt family for reminding everyone that your child can have a unique name, that is actually a name, without having to spell it in a horrific way in an attempt at being unique.

Worse than giving your child a less common name is giving them a normal name that is spelled in a stupid way. I'm sorry "Alivia," but when roll-call time comes, you'll still be one of six "Olivia"s in the classroom. And to you, Masters Kayden and Kamryn- your names look like a girl's name to me. If you want to get an idea of how bad this naming trend has gone, check out the US Social Security list for 2007 top 50-100-500-1000 names. http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/babynames/

On the Sunday-Maddie front: Sunday is just plain cute and Sunday Rose sounds lovely. Maddie is only bad because there is no formal name to go with it. What if little Maddie grows up to be a CEO? Perhaps she'd rather go by Madison or Madeleine then.

And on another note, people, please stop naming your child Nevaeh. It's got to be the stupidest name ever. Heaven spelled backwards? Come on! Perhaps some day a celebrity will embrace the trend of stupid spellings and random words and name their child Elppa or Rotkepsni Tilop.
I went to school with a girl named Jenna Rader. Say it fast.
I knew a teacher who allowed her daughter to re-name herself at 12......she became Rainbow Thunder (the Thunder part she already had).....always made me think of some cartoon character doll.

Also, my great Aunt was stuck with the name Darcus Arvezine.   We THINK the Darcus was supposed to be Dorcas, but we never did figure out the Arvezine part.  She always went by Arve.

I think names are very important - no one likes to be THAT different.  Unique, yes - glarely wierd has to be lived down or changed.
I had an old boyfriend that went to Purdue with a guy named Hammond Yeggs (silent Y) and when he transferred to another college his roommates name was Beecher Buttoff
I believe that when you are trying to name a baby you should always try the prospective name with the word Grandma or Grandpa in front of it. Chances are that these children will someday be grandparents and grandma Tiffany just sounds ridiculous to me.
Why is this news?  Consider the source.  Spoiled, rich, whiny celebrities who don't even live in the same world as the rest of us are prone to doing ridiculous things.

I'm just glad that Brangelina didn't name their kids Tree and Flower.
Wasn't it the ludicrouos, over-rated Julia Roberts who named her kids Phinnaeous(?)and Hazel?

This is nothing new coming from people who don't live in the real world.  Consider the source.
I respect the right of parents to name their children what they choose.  However, every parent owes it to these same children to give them a name that will not saddle them with childhood issues, as well as one that is a good name for both the child AND the adult they will become.  After all, in the working world a Madeleine is taken much more seriously than a Maddie, just as a Bill is seen as more adult than Billy.  ALL parents should consider how their child will grow into their name, and not worry so much about originality as common sense.
I live in Bangkok and my three kids have Thai names of course, but it is also common in Thailand for everyone with one of the complex (or not so complex - it depends) Thai names, to have a simple nickname. My daughter is Saranya, but her nickname is Miki. Many people have nicknames like Lek (small), Yai (big), Nok (bird), Meow (cat - not kidding), etc... I wanted our kids to have nicknames that also sounded OK in the west. My son's is Kris, and my baby daughter is Kira. I am Australian, but my first name is actually an Irish surname...live and let live...but not too weird!
"Didn't George want to name one of his kids "Seven", after Mickey Mantle? "

Yeah, and he was very upset when some of their friends decided they liked the name Seven.

I actually really like all of the Jolie-Pitt kids' names. They're cute and unusual without being the type of names that get kids beat up (although honestly, those kids are going to be so freaking attractive that they'll never get beat up, so I'm guessing the names don't matter). I really like Shiloh, and I think Knox and Vivienne are both adorable.

My first name is Jobetta (before I was born, my dad made up a combination of the Joseph and Elizabeth -- the names they'd chosen -- so they wouldn't have to call me "it," and when I was born, they kept it). I thought I was the only person on Earth with this name, although there are variations. Google seems to indicate I'm not the only one. I spent my entire childhood telling substitute teachers how to pronounce my name, took a bit of teasing from classmates and just about half an hour ago, a woman with a Spanish-speaking accent called to confirm an appointment and pronounced my name "Ho-bee-ta." But I really like my name. I can use it as a user name on any Web site or e-mail account because it won't be taken. I've never been "Jobetta H" (although from 5th grade until grad school, I tended to just go by Jo, so sometimes I was "girl Jo"). I get a little sick of having to spell my entire first and last name, but I like having a unique name.

Incidentally, the names I have picked out for any children I may have (we're talking several years from now) are Miriam Sophia and Gabriel Dante (Dante after the Italian poet)
Gael ... makes me think of the gale-winds of Ireland!
I can't agree with most that said it doesn't matter what a child is named. These celebrities have no clue what the future holds for their children with such ridiculous names. While Apple is just plain silly, Pilot Inspektor is cruel and stupid. If these children were guaranteed that their parents would still be famous when they hit school age I don't think there'd be too much of a problem as Pilot would be sitting next to Scout, Rumer, Kal-El and Owen (a girl). If their parent's star fades however and they find themselves in the real world like most of us the poor kids will have a pretty tough time. Yes, kids can make fun out of any name, but let's not just hand them something they don't even have to think about!
Regardless of what we think...the names these people chose mean something to them, represent something to them.  And its none of our business.
Well, I don't think we have to worry about the celebrity kids with weird names being teased. They will have a childhood very different than the rest of us. They probably will not attend regular schools and will not ride the bus. They will surely have lots of kids wanting to hang out with them because of their cool parents, etc.

In my opinion, the problem is that when "regular folk" imitate this trend, it can be hard on kids. Most parents don't have the money and cache that celeb parents do so that kid may end up on a public school bus, in out-of-date fashions, being teased, whereas I doubt that will happen to the celeb kids.
My sisters name is Caprece. She always said that though she hated her name when she was younger, she really grew to appreciate it. I always thought my name, Karen Elizabeth Greenfield, was so boring. My son is name River Holden Greenfield. I think its beautiful and his dad and I could agree on it. I wanted a more traditional name, and some of the names his dad (matthew) came up with made me cringe. We thought it was unusual until we heard of several people naming their boys "River" around the same time. I think this name will be pretty common.
My daughter has four kids adopted from China. Since her husband is Irish they decided to go with an Irish theme and keeping their Chinese names as middle names. Riley, Quinn and Pierce are neat names, but the last one is Brogan which is either a high top work boot or an Irish whiskey.
His Chinese name is Jun Jie which means Handsome Hero
(a lot to live up to, but no one will know.)
Dave Anderson...Austin, Texas
I have been working on a very large family tree.  Believe me it HELPS to have an unusual name, er, except when the family uses it over and over and over again.  For several generations my family had "Drury" on every branch of the tree, father, son, uncle, cousin, on and on for four generations.  We also had a "Fanny Pack".  LOL  But to me, a very average, plain, overused name either means, "you are not special" or you had very uncreative parents who were afraid to take risks.
My mom named me a common name, but spelled it different and because of that reason my boys names are common and commonly spelled:  Jordan (which is a unisex name, so my son has told me over and over again) and Joshua (Josh for short)  I am not fond of "unique" names because of the teasing mostly, kids have it tough enough without having to deal with a weird name.
I think it was mean for Jessica Alba to name her child Honor.  As soon as she hits middle school, none of the boys will be able to let that slide.  I can imagine all of the comments...
I'm ok with some of the unique names, but please: if I see one more little girl named "Nevaeh" I might keep my child from playing with her. How can anyone think that spelling 'heaven' backwards is a good name choice?
My sister delivered babies for years.  She tells a story of the hospital staff having to dissuade a young mother from naming her daughter Vagina Jo (rhymes with Regina Jo, but still....).  See?  Apple ain't so bad!  =D
Julie, I can relate.
I had a teacher tell me one time that my name was Christina..and that we didn't use nicknames in her class.  Problem was, my name was TINA..not Christina, and that's exactly what I told her.
I think this was the beginning of our sour relationship, and the beginning of my dismay with the public school system!  
I am a teacher. One year I taught a girl named Lovely and there was a boy in the same class named Handsome. Think about that when you call roll. Are Lovely and Handsome here today?
Somewhere, long ago, I read an article where people in prisons were more likely to have odd, unfashionable names that they grew up hating. I'm just sayin'....

I think saddling a child with something obnoxious as a name ("Audio Science" WTF??) is nasty.  Other names out of the norm are just creative and fun. Remember, at some point, someone said "Jane? What kind of name is that? Your kid will grow up a freak!" Times change.
My 17 year old son is named Darien Edward. I thought is sounded regal and royal...his father thought it sounded like the name of a quarterback! I must admit he loves his name as he is the only one in his school (unlike his cousin - his name is Cody).....
My name is Tangerine and has been for forty years and im just fine. any child that doesnt grow into or appreciate their name will change it legally or go by something else so just chill out people.
I have no problem with creativity in naming your kid...as long as it won't cause the kid any harm when he/she hits puberty. Besides, it's none of my business when it comes to naming someone else's kid. That being said, Jason Lee's Pilot Inspektor may be in for some unnecessary teasing when he gets older. That's a little harsh.

I do love the name Harlow, Sunday, Apple, Shiloh, etc. Cute without being absurd ;) (although Apple's really riding the line, no?)
To Anita 12:38pm post. If you hated Anita, try living with Robin. I always got "Hey Robin, where's Batman? (during the 60s when the Batman tv series was popular)" And Robin Hood, Robin Red-Breast, and Rockin Robin. My brothers would then yell out "Hood Goody-Goody grab bag" from the Robin Hood nickname.
I was named for one of those virtues, Charity. Charity was also my great-grandmother's name. I've only met a very limited number of people that have the same name as me. My middle name is Charity Beth, which seems to flow off the tongue easily, and although I used to think it was so old-fashioned, I now find it quite refreshing. And, like others have said, I don't have to worry about twenty people turning around when someone says my name in a crowd!  
How about the man named (Mr.)LOAF who named his son MEAT! Who's laughing now, Mr. Loaf ? And yes, meatloaf is his given name. Think of the children,people !!!
These celebs think its a joke with naming their children these weird names.  They must have spent the whole 9 months thinking of how to embarass their kids.  Its just ridiculous.  Kids aren't a joke.
I went to high school with a girl who's given name was Princess. A girl at my church is named Dwightette after her father, Dwight. They nicknamed her Dwighty for short. My husband knows a girl whose name is April May June (with June being her surname). I once lived beside a family whose last name was Kane and they named their daughter Candy. I just know she became a stripper!!!
I went to high school with a "Morgan Morgan"  LOL! Poor guy. He was second in weird names only to Alvie.
I really I do not think Brad & Angie's kids are going to worry about being teased in school. It has been quoted by Brad that the kids are pretty much do whatever they want. I am sure if they get teased in school, the body guard will take care of the kid. Or will get sent to a private school. If they even have to go to school.They will be just like all the other good for nothing rich kids that is in the celebrity news shows out every night.  
The coolest guy's name I ever heard is, Thane Madrid.  (Hey Thane, we went to art school together.)  My runner up is a girl's name I also love, Sarah Finn.
The problem is that when parents exercise "creativity" in naming a child, it isn't the parents who suffer from it. The child isn't going to be a child forever (God willing, only a very small percentage of their entire life) and a 23 year-old Pryncyss Grayson Smith who is trying to get a job is going to have a harder time than a Margaret Elizabeth Smith. If you give your kid a name that is just embarrassing or difficult to say, people will go out of their way to avoid saying it. I'm looking at you, Jermajesty. Or you name your daughter Cooper Kennedy Smith, don't look at me like *I* am the idiot when I can't tell if it is a boy or a girl.

Also, the desire for "unique" names has gone much too far. Especially since most of the "unique" or "unusual" names are neither (Looking at you coworker who had chose an "unusual" name--Aiden--last year.) In this world of the never-forgetting, never-forgiving internet, do you really (REALLY) want your child to be the only one out there. If my kid does stupid stuff as a kid/teen (like beating up another kid an posting it on youtube), I want his/her name to be as common as dirt so when they eventually grow up, it doesn't bite them in the butt. Anonymity is going to be a precious commodity in the future, what with all the surveillance and the proliferation of cameras. So, sign me up to be a Jane Smith--I don't want to be unique and I don't want you to be able to google me and discover my entire history in one fell swoop.

Also, at least in the U.S., it seems to be the trend to name your kid after dead presidents. Madison, Harrison, Jackson, Kennedy, etc. So, for all the trendies out there, I offer up: Coolidge. No one has it yet, and the nickname "Cool" is awesome! Next, Nevaeh, according to phonetics, cannot be said "Nuh-vay-ah." It is "Nee-vah-eh." Finally, Kennedy means "malformed head." Yeah, such a pretty name with a lovely meaning! Do some research before naming your next "little princess."
i went to school in the 6th grade, we called her jody...her full name was Josephine Francis Ludwig, we were good friends.
I'm sure everyone has their own theory on names, my son's name is Quisto because it is Indian. My daughter is named Blythe, for years I never heard any children byt hese names and lately there seems to be one around every corner...
My first name is Rori and I am a 34 year old female.  I always get the, "like on Gilmore Girls" comment which really unnerves me.  No, not like on Gilmore Girls.  For the past thirty years, I have had to spell this name 2 -10 times daily, explain that it isn't short for Victoria, and also explain that I am not/nor have ever been a male. I don't want it to be dismissed so easily - especially to be accredited to something as vapid as a crappy sitcom - no thanks! I have always loved my name but it can be somewhat of a burden.  I recently took a job working with my father, and our offices are within earshot of eachother.  After my first week in the office, he stuck his head through my door and apologized for naming me Rori.  He had heard what I go through on a daily basis and said he had no idea just how many times I had to spell, sound it out for people (apparantly Rori must sound as if it is to be spelled ROY or ROI, the 'r' just disappears somehow) and explain that it isn't a nickname.  I am so used to it, it doesn't phase me anymore, but just once I would love to hear, "Rori, that's R-O-R-I, right?"  Oh, a girl can dream...
My last name is Knox and if ever I was to have a son, I would have named him Knox to honor my father and his family line.  I think that Knox is a great name for a son! It is a strong and proud name that will serve him well through out his life!
I was watching Hidden Potential on HGTV yesterday and a woman's name was Spontaneous.

A lady I work with; her daughter took in a foster child. The child's name was Ammunique; named after Ammunition.
My name is Kathleen. Not that hard, really common. Apparently, only to my family!  I tell people Kathleen & get all sorts of responses back. Most common, Kath-a-leen. No, no extra A needed, just master the 2 syllables, please. Not Kathy, not Katie, not Kate. And the spelling! There is one common, traditional spelling of it. I'll allow a C mistake but really, I've seen Kafleen, Kathline, Kathaline, Kathalyn and Kathlene. And I know I'm not the only person with a common, traditional name that just gets pummeled! I'm talking for all the Katherines/Catherines, Rogers, Michaels, Rachels, Colleens & Shannons out there. Can you imagine the difficulties for Joans, JoAnns and Carolyns & Carolines?  
I have to say, this post and the replies are reminding me of the "Friends" episode where Phoebe decides to change her name officially to Princess Consuela Bananahammock...and then her husband gets in on the act :)
Sylvester Stallone has a son named Sage, not a daughter.

My mother wanted to name me Anne, but my father wanted Carol, so Carol it is.  That name places me firmly in the 40s and 50s just like the Emmas and Emilys, Aidens and Jacobs are all over the place today.  There are so many lovely timeless names, but people just don't look for them.  Wish I'd been named Anne.


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