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Better to burn out than fade away?

Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 7:00 AM by Kurt Schlosser
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You'd have to be dead to not know that this is a big week for a particular movie star who is no longer with us. Heath Ledger's turn as the Joker in the new Batman film is being hyped and hailed as Oscar worthy, and for the first time since "No Country For Old Men" I'll probably make a trip to the theater.


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For me, Ledger falls into the category of celebrities who died too soon and are actually worth missing. His death from an accidental overdose of prescription pills in January was a shocker and my sympathy for those who were actually close to him is coupled with my own selfish regret that I'll no longer see him on screen. I felt the same way when River Phoenix died in 1993 -- again very talented, very young and again from a drug overdose.

In 1994, I was deeply saddened when Nirvana lead singer Kurt Cobain took his own life. Something about having the architect of your life's current soundtrack suddenly disappear will put a crimp in your turntable. I imagine many people felt the same way about Elvis or Jimi Hendrix or Janis Joplin or John Lennon or Jim Morrison or ...

Is it the shocking death that makes the star burn brighter for us? Plenty of huge stars live into old age and die with less media fanfare than Ledger. Leaving one final critically acclaimed performance on celluloid doesn't appear to hurt one's legacy. Yet how do we explain Anna Nicole Smith or the inevitable next star who burns out without leaving a body of work one would deem worthy of the coverage their death generates?

As we appreciate the work of the Joker this week and watch the box office dollars roll in for "The Dark Knight," take a moment to remember an actor or musician who impacted your life and was then gone, too soon. Are you still affected by what this person left behind when you see or hear it? Do you appreciate it for what it was then and leave it at that, or do you wish he was still alive today as whatever brand of entertainer time had turned him into?

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I still get so sad when I think about Phil Hartman, who was shot in his sleep by his wife in 1998.  He was a gifted actor and impressionist, and his death left a gaping hole on Newsradio.  They did a tribute episode after his death, and it is one of the best and most moving shows I have ever seen.  He was the first celebrity whose death I cried about.  
Brandon de Wilde, james dean, natalie wood, eddie duchin, the list is long.  Perhaps the loss of anyone's life before they have a chance to finish it should be mourned - but the talented ones who ease pain and bring joy to others are probably missed on a different level - as if we lost something, a feeling of abandonment maybe, something we can't quite quite put it into words.
The day the music died:  The Big Bopper, Richie Valens and the incomparable Buddy Holly.
Other big examples in the music world are artists like Bob Marley, Peter Tosh and Garnet Silk who's lives ended way too early.
Ahhh, the laughter died when John Ritter did.  There is something to be said about someone who just makes us laugh in the midst of daily chaos.  
I still get sick to my stomach thinking about when I heard the news of Stevie Ray Vaughn's death from a senseless helicopter crash.  
I hated the direction it looked like he was heading (Beverly Hills Ninja, Blacksheep) but when Chris Farley was on, he was really something.  The Chippendale skit with Patrick Swayze, Tommy Boy, the pairings with David Spade were excellent.  Sad we lost him too soon.
I agree with Phil Hartman. Way too soon!
I'd also like to add George Carlin (yes I know he was 'old' but he had a young, rebellious soul).
Jonathan Larson (creator of Rent) is also a creative voice much missed in the theatre world.
Chris Farley & John Belushi, each had a huge effect on comedy within a short period of time.
I remember having a discussion about this in one of my media classes in college.  I think the prime example lies in the days-apart deaths of Princess Diana and Mother Theresa.  In terms of influence, one could argue that these two figures were of similar global prominence.  But the untimeliness of Diana's death caused it to garner much more media attention.  The feeling seemed to be that Mother Theresa's death was imminent, and as such it didn't sting quite so badly.  I think it says a lot about how much we value our youth.  
Losing Phil Hartman was very tough for us - we watched with amazement in everything he did.
John Ritter, was extremely sad for me. Phil Hartman, especially the way he went, senseless. Stuart Adamson, lead singer for Big country! Very saddened to hear that he had taken his own life, he had such a great poweful voice and talent! The late great Freddie Mercury of Queen!
Don't foret that members of Lynard Skynard died because the plane ran out of gas!! Just another of deaths that did not have to happen!!
John Candy is a comedian that I really miss today. With great movie roles in Uncle Buck, The Great Outdoors, Stripes and many others. Sure he did die of natural causes with his heart, but he still was only about forty years old.
John Lennon, Andy Gibb, Michael Hutchence are all horribly missed by me in the music world but I still feel great anytime I hear them on the radio.  As for TV or film I would say John Ritter, Steve Irwin and Heath Ledger - yes I'll be one of the goobs crying during Batman on Friday night.  To watch Heath in Brokeback Mountain is to watch perfection.  I can't imagine anyone else in that role.  I think it seems odd at times how these people effect our lives when we don't really KNOW them but they do in their own ways and I think it is a great thing.
When Princess Diana died I cried for days, oddly enough I felt the same way about John Ritter.  I morned them as I would a close friend.  They touched me in very different ways but left lasting impacts that will forever be with me.
John Denver
I will always miss Phyllis Hyman..She was a beautiful full figured woman who will never be replaced.
John Candy, Chris Farley, River Phoenix and Judy Garland (only 47 when she died in 1969)
Alliyah and her crew's death was senseless.  To think, where being impatient and too much weight gets you.  Bruce Lee, my hero.  Brandon Lee, left me wanting more.  Luther Vandross, Ray Charles, Celia Cruz, Tito Puente, and the list goes on...too good to have passed.
I think of Jeff Buckley...everyone has heard his rendition of the song "Hallelujah" but few even know his name.  An incredible musical talent.  Heath was an extreme shock for me.
Brad Delp, the voice of Boston. His suicide was a shock to fans. It was hard to hear him call himself a lonely soul when he was so beloved and seemed so happy.
Don't forget Selena.  Because of her dad's prejudices in his career she wasn't allowed to try her hand at American pop music till shortly before she was murdered so many of us "discovered" her far too late.  She was so talented with no formal training unlike so many of the 'stars' today who can't sing or dance without professional help.  
Other big examples in the music world are artists like Bob Marley, Peter Tosh and Garnet Silk who's lives ended way too early.

Garnet Silk was the first person that came to mind for me. Then Aaliyah. Heath Ledger's death threw me because I remember discovering him on Sweat.
I still cry over Jeff Buckley and Selena.  They both left us too soon.
Selena, Reba McIntyre's band that died in a plane crash.
Freddie Prinz.  When he shot himself  (accidentally?),  I was glued to the television, waiting for updates.  I was devastated when he died.  What a talent!  What a personality!  When I see his son, Freddie Prinz Jr., I'm always looking for some resemblance or similarities.
the sudden death of a fairly young person will always resonate more than the death on someone who had lived a long time.  princess diana's death was more shocking because she was only 36 and had been in the public eye more nearly half of her life.  mother teresa's death was the natural ending for someone of that age.  bob hope and katharine hepburn's deaths were expected; phil hartman's and john ritter's were not.  i remember listening to a repeat of an interview bob edwards had done with johnny cash and thinking "johnny cash died last night".  when i went into work a co-worker told me about john ritter's death and i cried.  it's the shocking versus the expected that creates the emotional reaction.
I was heartbroken when John Denver died. His music still brings me a lot of peace.
"Crocodile" Steve Irwin...I cried for his kids and mine who just adored him. His death affected us for several days, rather like losing a friend.  John Ritter, River Phoenix and Andy Gibb were gone too soon as well.  
i really miss john denver.
Let's also remember Jim Croce - his untimely death in an airplane crash silenced a great musician.  The same with John Denver.  Two of my favorite guitar players.  
What a loss when Phil Hartman died.  I also remember losing Gilda Radner to ovarian cancer.  She one one of the greatest...  I still laugh when I think of Lisa Lubner and her brownie character...she was awesome and was a role model to great comediannes...
Like so many others before me have said, I miss John Lennon. Such a sensitive, peaceful man. Why anyone would want to do someone like that harm is beyond crazy.  
Karen Carpenter. What a clear, strong voice silenced too soon. A tragic life.
I miss the beautiful Aaliyah. She was such a talented artist and way too young to die so tragically.
Cliff Burton, bassist of Metallica. Died September 27, 1986 while on tour in Sweden. I feel that he was the largest contributor to the band then.

Another sad and early death was Dimebag Darrel of Pantera/Damageplan. Darrel was murdered on stage during a concert (member of Damageplan at the time). His death was mourned by all the metal community. He was on of the greatest guitarists in history.

Other people off the top of my head: Steve Irwin, Bon Scott (AC/DC), John Bonham (Led Zeppelin), Sid Vicious (Sex Pistols), James Dean, Tupac Shakur, Hillel Slovak (Red Hot Chili Peppers), and Mitch Hedberg.
I'm sorry, I know he had a drug problem, but I was a was/am a huge Elvis Presley fan. He was only 44.
Elvis' death has left an impact on the millions of fans he left behind and the numerous others who discover him each day. I have been to Graceland 5 times and it's almost as though the man is still there. Visiting his grave puts things into perspective but I tend to forget (or maybe it's choose to ignore) the fact that he and his family are indeed buried at his beloved home. In a sense, he never left us because we still have his music, movies and documentaries to cherish and enjoy to this day. Elvis Lives indeed! Long live The King!
These weren't entertainers ... young deaths that really affected me were Adam Petty and Ricky Hendrick from NASCAR they were the future of the sport carrying on two of the prolific names.  So much of the legacy ended with them.
Heath Ledger will be missed by me. Ever since his death I haven't wanted to watch any of his movies because it still so sad that he's gone.  But I will be seeing Batman this weekend!!   Also gone to soon are John Candy, Chris Farley and Lisa "Left Eye" Lopez.
I met and cooked for John Lennon when he was here in England. A great songwriter a true artist who's life was cut short by a nutter.
Hands down...Dennis Weaver and Rick James!
I know he was older, but I was extremely saddened when Conway Twitty passed.  Loved his music.

Steve Irwin and Heath Ledger were hard to take as well as John Kennedy Jr.  I remember being glued to the TV until they were found.
I still cry about Aaliyah, John Ritter, Selena and yes, even Biggie AKA Notorious B.I.G. He was very talented and died way too young at the age of 24. These were all deaths that could have been prevented.
Tim Russert
John Kennedy, Jr.  I was shocked when he died.  Imagine what he could have accomplished had he lived longer.
Don't forget about Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes of TLC, the Notorious B.I.G., Easy E (died of AIDS)...  Too many, too soon...  R.I.P.
Layne Staley from Alice in Chains.
John Denver & Ricky Nelson. Way to soon!!


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