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Hey Oprah, stop yelling at me

Posted: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:00 AM by Paige Newman
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When the thought of looking at your 401 (k) balance makes you feel slightly nauseous, you know we’re in strange times. But it seems like money advice is coming at us from everywhere. Especially daytime TV talk shows.


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Why is Suze Orman so mad at me? And how can I get her to stop talking?

Dr. Phil recently devoted a show to having Ben Stein and Jim Cramer scream at us about saving money. Even Oprah has gotten into the game. Not only does she have Suze Orman scold us on a regular basis, Oprah also recently had “America’s Thriftiest Family” on to give tips about “living within our means.”

Now, I know that Oprah grew up poor, but at this point, having her give advice about “living within our means” is a bit like asking Neil Armstrong how to pilot a paper airplane. She’s a bit beyond the clipping coupons stage.

And do we really need all this scolding? It reminds me of the old Preston Sturges film, “Sullivan’s Travels,” about a film director (Joel McCrea) who wants to make real, gritty films about how hard life is during the depression finds out that what people really want is to laugh and escape.

Personally, I want to watch the Oprah shows where Nate Berkus transforms someone’s home or the ones where she gives advice on dog care (and I don’t even have a dog). Frankly, even the recent show about the father who forgave the son who killed their family, was more of an escape than Orman telling me to stop using my credit cards.

What are daytime talk shows really for? Do we really need all this money advice, and is that why we tune into “Oprah,” “Ellen,” “The View” or “Dr. Phil”?

Frankly, the best two shows I’ve heard (they were on the radio, not on TV) on the current economic crisis came from NPR’s “This American Life.”

The first one, “The Giant Pool of Money,” explained why banks started offering mortgages to people who couldn’t actually afford them. And the other, “Another Frightening Show About the Economy,” will teach you everything you ever wanted to know about credit default swaps and what scared Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson so bad that he finally felt the need to take action.

What distinguishes these shows is the lack of hysteria and the fact that real people from the financial industry explain exactly how these events occurred without the spin. And guess what? Afterward, you won’t feel reprimanded, you won’t feel panicked; you’ll just feel like you understand what’s going on a little bit more clearly.

Until Oprah gets around to that, I’ll be skipping those Suze Orman shows. If I want to feel bad, I can easily go look at my 401(k) balance.

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AMEN!!!!!! THANK YOU FOR WRITING THIS, IT SAYS EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN THINKING FOR THE PAST FEW
DAYS.
Oprah is extremely self righteous and even when "experts" are on her show she will interrupt them with her own ideas and be like, isnt' my idea great!  I know everything!... It's good that Suze yells at everybody who gets themselves into 100,000s of debt because they should have known better in the first place... Living within your means may not be fun, but peace of mind is nice.
Absolutely!!!! I couldn't agree more. Too many people hang on every world that falls from Oprah's mouth like it comes straight from God. She's human, people. She's a rich human, but human. And please, Oprah, please STOP trying to come act like you are anything at all like the rest of us.
I don't get the Oprah deal anymore.  Because she's so wealthy, her shows don't "feel" relevant to me - especially when she has some fashion model or designer or merchandiser on her program.  Some of us - most of us? - are out here trying to keep it together and we don't need to know about her shoe collection.   I skip her program more and more.
I don't usually get to watch O because of my work schedule but managed to watch this one ... frankly as one who has no credit card debt, a paid-off mortgage, two years salary in a savings account and a (once) healthy 401K would like some advice for those of us who have been living below our means for most of our adult lives, are looking foward to retirement in a couple of years but wondering what we should do now that our 401K's (in a company that dumped their pension plans a few years ago) should do now that they are more like 101K's?

Unless you have oodles of credit card debt, Suze seems to have little to offer.
I agree with Leslie.  Obrah is extremely self righteous.  She has a great eye for what will gain viewers, but has no clue what to do with these great topics and is usually very uninformed.  After watching the episode a couple of weeks ago with the family addicted to heroin, I decided to never watch her again.  Please dont pretend to have an informative show and then exploit your guests and destroy what little self esteem they had left.  It's really sad that many American's actually take everything she says to heart and are convinced she must be right (i.e. elections, food, books, etc, etc).  Let's try thinking for ourselves!
Maybe Oprah, Dr. Phil, Suze and a few other millionaires would set up some loans specifically to help us pay off those credit card debts.  At least with my mortgage the rate would only go up once a year.  The credit card industry is the biggest bunch of thieves ever.  Any business that can monitor your financial status and change it's rates up so exhorbitantly the way those thieves can is totally insane. So glad Congress is 'for the people.' For those of us who have been outsourced or laid off a couple of times please give us 5% fixed rate loans.  You can even write the check to the credit card company for me as proof.  More people have been forced into bankruptcy when all these cards raised their rates.  HEY OPRAH GO YELL AT CONGRESS TO CONTROL THE CREDIT CARD COMPANIES AND HAVE THEM AUTOMATICALLY DROP THEIR RATES ACROSS THE BOARD TO 5%!!!      
I think Suze is FANTASTIC!!! Eight years ago, her advice helped me get out of credit card debt (which was $10,000 in the year 2000 and $0.00 by 2002); start an emergency fund (which today is $14,000); pay off my mortgage (June of 2008); start a Roth IRA (this one isn't doing so well, but I have hope for the future); stop buying gifts for everyone; start living within my means; and finally, as Suze loves to say, putting "People first, the money, then things!"  Now I'll stay safe...
I can't agree more with what you said about Oprah being beyond coupon clipping.  And I think that's what riles me most about celebrity advice on how to save money...it's well and good to talk about how thrifty you are, but when you have several million dollars in assets you're hardly hunkered down under the gun like the rest of us.
We're living within our means and doing fine without all the little "extras" that we used to enjoy but if we have anything unexpected to come up (medical bills, repairs, etc.) then we can't exactly raid the profits from our wildly successful tv empire to get us back on track.  It just comes down to having collection agencies hound you or put it on the credit card and pay it off as you can.
I don't disagree with the article from an entertainment point of view, but honestly, more influential people need to be teaching American how to manage its personal finances, and Oprah (like it or not) is among the most influential figures in entertainment.  Most of the people in financial straights right now are there not because of some vague, overarching corporate economic meltdown, but because they didn't manage their finances well.  A certain (small) percentage were doing the right things and were undone by a string of unfortunate, largely uncontrollable circumstances, but most people are simply bad with money.  If it takes Oprah and Suzy Orman yelling at them every day to not buy a $500,000 house if they make 70 grand a year and have $20,000 in credit card debt, then that's what needs to happen.
The meaning from O's perspective is that if she can do it (poor to super rich) anybody can.  Personally, I do not envy or hate a person for their achievement, wealth, and advice.  My parents always told me to surround myself and take advice from people who know more and have more--and work hard.  Get off Oprah!
I stopped watching Oprah about 6-8 months ago when she started pushing the "new Earth" or whatever it was. That's not entertainment it's pandering and propaganda! Gone are the good days of Oprah...at least IMHO.
Thanks for mentioning the two This American Life shows about the economy. I agree about the shows being even-handed to explain the situation without hysteria. I can't stand all the talking heads squawking about the economy and they are contributing to everyone's fear. People, stop listening to them!
I think it is hypocritical that Oprah is having these shows at all...for many years now she has been promoting conspicuous concumption through episodes like My Favorite Things and the Big Christmas Gift show.
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you,
I am so sick of the people that have money yelling at us that work hard every day to get by how to manage our money.  Maybe 1 out of thousands becomes the Oprah's, Ormans, Ramseys of this world most of us are everyday people trying to make a living.  It is to the point that I cannot watch Oprah or Dr. Phil because no one is right all the time and knows everything about everything...Please
I'm pretty tired of the sanctimonious nature of Oprah Winfrey.  I don't watch her show much because I have a job, but the few times I have seen her, she's all about what you should be doing because this is what she's done.  Come on, "THE SECRET?"  Give me a break, there is nothing more than a multi-billionaire pointing their finger at me.
JJ,
My Husband and I are in the same boat.  I am really tired of hearing about Bailouts for people that bought homes they could not afford and have more credit card debt than others owe on their mortgage.  We have 4 years until retirement and were looking pretty good, until now.
I used to watch Oprah, but now avoid her because of her political leanings, because it does come out in her shows.
I agree with all of my heart.  Thank you for writing this.  I'm scared enough most of the time.  No wonder that talking dog movie has been number one for two weeks...escape, escape, escape.
I am so sick and tired of Oprah!  She portrays herself as the "Know All-Been There" Queen of America!  She does NOT speak for me.  Good grief, like because she was once poor she knows how we feel?  Try looking for $1.25 in the sofa, Oprah.  Or could you manage with only two pair of shoes?  Geesh, she has a personal trainer, private chef, secretary, no children, no husband, several houses .. how does this make her 'feel my pain'?
Yeah, it is about time that Oprah gives up trying to solve everyone's problems, I have stopped watching her show because she seems to think she has the answer to all.  I applaud her for getting where she is from nothing, but she is not the norm and there are a lot of us out here that are just making it, and when we are retired and see what is happening to the stock market because of greed it make me sick.  
I find it funny that people will talk about Oprah as if she has no idea about how normal people live but then treat Palin as if she's "One of us" because she has a family.  She's not like everyone else; can everyone else lose $20,000 in investments and still be OK?  Does everyone have an income over nearly $200,000.  Of course Oprah doesn't live like regular people but neither does ANY of these politicians, just varying degrees of rich.
Oprah tries to enforce all of her opinions and choices(political, spiritual, lifestyle, etc.) onto the American public. She is completely out of touch with the everyday American. Everyone maybe slightly enamored by the allure of celebrity and wealth but we don't want celebrities to force their views on us. If we want financial advice then we need to make an appointment with a financial advisor who can look over OUR personal situation and customize a plan that will address OUR priorites, challenges and future. Oprah needs to go back to the basics of interviewing everyday Americans who have overcome their challenges, hardships, etc. to succeed and flourish. Those are the stories that educate and inspire us. Leave the advice to the professionals who live and work in our local communities & who are familiar with what our personal goals and values.      
Suze Orman is Oprah's new guru.  Just as Eckhart Tolle and his New Earth were last year.  Oprah is going to feed her to us until we regurgitate.  Enough already.  When Suze Orman blames the borrowers in the sub prime mortgage melt down, saying they should not have bought a house they could not afford, and made no mention of the predatory lenders that placed these people in these loans, is when she lost credibility with me.  I think I'll save some real money by cancelling my subscription to "O" magazine, its all advertisments anyway.
I still have Oprah on my TiVo, but I delete her episodes unwatched more often than not.  I don't watch anything Dr. Oz, anything about "your better self" like her shows on The Secret or journalling or Eat Pray Love and the like, and these days the Friday panel shows with Gail, Mark and Ali.  I have also begun to HATE the Oprah's favorite things episodes because they spend wayyyy too much time showing the shrieking women in the audience.  

This stuff about the financial crisis takes the cake.  Oprah pretending that she understands and is living through ANY of what's going on right now in the same manner as your average American is patently ridiculous.  The episode where she talked about going home to make some calls to make sure her money was safe was downright laughable.
What a hypocrite Oprah is. Telling poeple to live within their means and then flaunting on shows expensive christmas gifts. I can't stand to look at that woman. Every time there is anything about her on TV I have to change the channel. All she is about is self promotion.    
Oprah has always appeared smug and condescending to me so I don't watch her show and never have.  It's helpful for many to learn from a host of experts -- some good, some irritating.  It provides a solid basis of information so you can make a decision based on what's best for you.  But when people hear things from one person and treat it like the gospel, that is what fuels the self-righteous attitude that many of our "celebrities" posses.
Yesterday I was just telling a friend to listen to the "THis AMerican Life" programs if he really wanted to understand what was going on in the economy. Hopefully all these people who are screaming about Oprah and Suzy screaming at them didn't miss that part of your article.
Thank you, thank you!  After years of being a devote Oprah fan, I've backed WAY OFF since she began promoting her New Age beliefs, Tolle, and the Obama show (followed by her declaration that her show wasn't going to ever be used as a "political platform" justifying why she hasn't invited other politicians to appear) just ended it for me.  I feel sorry for her 'cause she's now so rich, so full of herself that she dwells in such a rarefied atmosphere ~ which of her sycophants is willing to risk their own jobs to tell her the truth:  She ain't God!!! I couldn't agree more with the insanity of her trying to tell us how to deal with our financial situations ~ hmmmm!  How much did that acreage on the Southern tip of Maui cost???  What a joke!  While I do appreciate Suzi Orman's financial philosophy and Dr. Oz's advice, I find I can enjoy them through sources other than the Oprah Show.
The credit card companies are to blame too.  They issue credit cards to anybody and everybody no matter what income.  They will issue more than one too. They do this and then with all the high interest rates hold you hostage. The allow a high limit that entices you to use them more than you can afford to. They are no better than the mortgage companies that gave mortgages to those who couldn't afford them
Oprah is a blessing to the world because of the new ideas and positivity she talks about.  She's getting a large audience to think differently.  However, I do agree that she is extremely self-righteous and talks over her experts with her OWN ideas.  When I do buy the magazine I'm amazed at the cost of the items shown - when they talk about what is inexpensive it's usually a $200-$300 coat or something that is still out of reach for the majority of women.  
I don't watch Oprah anymore.  I saw the Suze Orman show when she was screaming at people for getting in debt, it was embarrassing.  A lot of Oprah guests are looking for the TV deal (like Dr. Phil), they believe if they use his tactics, shouting at and humiliating people then they are on their way to TV stardom, boring.  The show that turned me off was the "silver Tiffany's bubble blower", her assistant had given her this as a gift and she didn't shut up about it for the whole hour!  This definitely made me realize that she is living in a different world than the rest of us and can not relate,  a silver Tiffany's bubble blower for God's sake!  Yeah, we all have one of those!  Oprah's biggest fan is Oprah.
This is the first time in a while that I've actually heard about a guest on Oprah that I agree with, and now so many are against it.  Ususally it's all you can stand to hear Oprah zombies telling conservatives how intolerant they are for not wanting to vote for Obama or not being sensitive to the minority plight.  Thank you Oprah for having a conservative financial voice.  What's next Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck are guest on a family values show.  That would be exciting, LOL.
I love Oprah, but see doesn't know how alot of middle class americans live.  All it takes is an illness to hit like cancer did to my husband.  He couldn't work for over a year, chemo, radition and high deductibles on health insurance drove us to live off our credit cards, wiped out our savings and five years later even though he is back to work we're still trying to dig out of a deep hole.  Get real Susie Orman, not everyone is just going out and maxing out their credit cards on luxuries.  Alot of hard working americans are just trying to survive.
I stopped watching Oprah several years ago.  She is sometimes as silly and out of touch with reality as Tom Cruise was jumping on her sofa!

Also, I have not and will not renew my subscription to "O Magazine" because that magazine is like a sick joke when it comes to their advertisements.  Shoes for $800, $900, $1,500.00 and more; now that is insanity!  It's also wasteful consumption.  Being ruled by big name designers no matter what outrageous prices are being asked for their products is brainless.  Spending $1,000.00, $1,500.00, $2,000.00 and MORE on a purse............hello, is there any brain matter in the heads of the silly people who pay these kinds of prices?  

The name brands/terribly overpriced items do not make a person happy.  Just look at the silly people imitating one another by having to get the latest fad item or what they've seen on someone else; it's "herd mentality."  
Oprah is right there in the middle of the pack.

Oprah was ONCE interesting and entertaining but no longer.
I stopped watching years ago when Dr Phil (another blowhard) told some poor abused woman it was her fault for letting her husband hit her!!!!!

Oprah is a phoney as a three-dollar bill.
I'm sick of Oprah and all her "advise".  She is on an ego trip.  She never lets her guest talk...she's alway interjecting her opinion.  I no longer watch her.  And as for Dr. Phil...major media seeking joke!  If it's not on Fox, I don't usually tune in!
Why do so many people hate Oprah? Could it be envy, or jealousy? My family is struggling the same as many others, but I don't hate Oprah because of it. Sure, I'd like to make more money, not have a mortgage, and be able to drive a nice SUV, without worrying about having enough money to put gas in it. The fact is, we don't make a crazy amount of money, we do have a mortgage to pay, and our nice SUV sits in the driveway when we're not at work or at our christian meetings. We can't all be like Oprah, or Bill Gates, or any of those other big money people. My advice to everyone, including myself is, listen to the experts when it's something you need to hear; when it doesn't pertain to you, change the channel! That's what I do. And stop hating, you're only hurting yourself!
Yes, very convenient of Oprah - or Suze - to be telling us what we can live without and/or what "really matters" seeing as they have had the opportunity to have everything already, evaluate it and decide for themselves what to cut out.  These "re-evaluating your values and needs" shows happen right before or after the shows where she gives away a ton of material goods like $40 t-shirts that she can't live without and which she owns in every color.  
I agree with the part about the NPR pieces being really worthwhile, I have to disagree about the Oprah part.  Not ever having been an Oprah fan, I wasn't so upset having flipped past to see Suze Orman on her show one day.  I thoroughly enjoyed the program where she presented 5 things that we should do now.  Great advice!  And given that our family is already doing some of those things, it helped me out a bit with feeling calm(er).  While I agree that Ms. Orman can be a tad pessimestic--but then again almost all financial news is pessimestic right now--I find it dismaying how people say they would rather hear about "regular" people who overcame their hardships and became successful, but then call Oprah a hypocrate for bringing on people who helped her with her own success.  Neither Ms. Winfrey nor Ms. Orman started out life successfully.  I think that the hypocrates are the one who are complaining.  As for all the financial advice (ad nauseum)...why not turn off the TV or at least turn the channel?  
Are you kidding me?? Millions of Americans just don't get it so someone has to scream at them.  We are all now paying for their mistakes - if you can't take the heat from Suze and Oprah.......Look in the mirror !
I am 55 years old(single)and I earn 38K a year.  I have 2K in savings and no retirement.  My husband was murdered and I raised my two children on my own.  What good would any of these financial yellings do for me.
Oprah has done a great disservice by putting characters like Suze Orman on her show.  It's one thing when she puts on a credible financial source who explains what's going on in the market and what brought us to this point but it's entirely irresponsible of her to put on Suze Orman who demands that everyone put their money in FDIC insured accounts.  Last I checked, I still have about 40 years until retirement and my objective has not changed, meaning it's not necessary to move money around right now.  If anything, it's a great buying opportunity since securities are priced so low.  Suze Orman is responsible for instilling fear and panic in so many individuals who were on the right track or maybe needed to tweak their investment plans a bit with the help of a professional, their financial adviser.  But that panic and uproar she caused led to many people making a drastic change to cash or pulling everything out and hiding their money in their mattresses.  Suze is now responsible for all those individuals who will definitely not have enough money for retirement and for that burden to be further shouldered by young individuals like myself who continue to pay into this never-ending Social Security "benefit" that will not even be in existence by the time I'm ready for it.
Be honest, you guys are upset because Oprah will not book Sarah Palin...get over it!!!!
Don't think i have ever seen a bank or a credit card company go out in the street and force an individual to sign a morgage agreement to take a credit card that they did not ask for, you are not forced to take what they offer you, yet you blame them for the high interest rates, did you not know the interest rate before you applied for that mortagae or credit card??? DOH!!!!
It seems awfully easy to pick on Oprah because she's already wealthy and to ignore Dr. Phil because he's so obnoxious, but I think it's silly to complain about them doing shows about the financial crisis.  What should they be doing shows on?  I understand that people find it disingenuous and hypocritcal that Oprah always has Suze Orman on to talk about financial frugality and then run magazine ads depicting $800 shoes...but at least Oprah knows how to pay her bills (in case people forget, ads pay for magazines).  I think that sharing wisdom is the point of her show.  
People need to start taking the blame for themselves!! live with in their means! But it is always someone else's fault when they have problems. well,I lived with in my means for years and I am doing well. But now I have to pay for all those peaple that had to have everything right away.
No doubt people are jealous of O and then there are those who don't like her politics. Looks to me like a bunch of people mad at her for telling them the truth.
I also find it incredibly offensive when Suze says that this crisis is ALL the fault of the big banks and Wall Street financial firms who were selling these pooled mortgages in all their ridiculous products.  Whatever happened to taking personal responsibility for one's own actions?  Yes, the bank shouldn't have offered the loan to the individual who had a poor credit history and no money for a down payment, but shame on the individual who thought that he could buy a home without having any money saved up.  And shame on Congress, Republicans AND Democrats who turned a blind eye on what was going on, couldn't pass this $700 billion "bailout" until they added all their pork to it and still are figuring out what to do and continue to blame each other as they figure out what to do.  Let's all take responsiblity for our foolish actions, wipe the slate clean, and FIX IT!  Stop complaining, whining and expecting everyone to fix it for you.  Grow up and take responsibility for your actions.  
The people who are habitually spending more than they make and blowing out their credit cards aren't tuning into NPR for financial education. They're watching Oprah and Dr. Phil. I'm glad they're finally getting the lecture they deserve. Now let's just hope it sinks in. If you don't want to watch, turn off the TV and go for a walk. Better for ya anyway.
We give most celebrities too much credit and attention for just being famous and/or rich, when we should be looking to more worthwhile people for advice, mentoring, and leadership.  Anyone who has their own picture on their own self-named magazine month after month is only engaged in extreme self-indulgence and is not someone whose advice or example I take seriously, especially not in how to live frugally.  Oprah, Suze, and the rest of them can yell all they want from their ivory towers -- I'm not paying attention anyway.


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