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In ads, dads are always dumb jocks

Posted: Thursday, July 23, 2009 6:00 AM by Gael Fashingbauer Cooper
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I understand that commercials have a short amount of time to deliver their message. But really, do they have to fall back on stereotypes quite so often?


Dads are doofuses, at least according to commercials.

If there's a dad in a commercial, he's almost always a doofus with a smarter wife who smiles benevolently at him when he does something dumb. (See also: "According to Jim.") Dads in commercials like sports, TV, barbecuing and sitting on couches. They're often chubby. Example? This dad in the Verizon ad, who pours all the ice-cream sprinkles (jimmies, to some of you) on the tiny cup of ice cream.

If there's a woman in a commercial, she loves shoes and shopping, kids and chocolate. It practically goes without question that she's a mom. Even if her kids seem to be pushing 20, she herself never appears older than 35. She often has a gaggle of giggling girlfriends who wear snazzy outfits even to the playground. She and her girlfriends are never overweight. Example? Actress Dori Kelly gets a sticker stuck on her rump in this GLAH-DAY (Glade) commercial.

If there are single people in ads, they are always having the time of their life. They dance the night away, take cruises to exotic ports of call and spend hours drinking colorful drinks in bars, although they don't get drunk. They're never lonely.

Babies are adorable and never have colic or tantrums. Kids are cute and freckled and use words that are way too advanced for their age. Almost everyone lives in a giant house in the suburbs with a huge front lawn. (Unless they're farmers, in which case they always wear denim overalls and are constantly riding a tractor.) Everyone has a kitchen that's bigger than my first apartment, with a giant marble center island. No one rents. Grandparents always have adorable puffs of white hair and want nothing more than to bake cookies or go fishing with their grandkids. No one over 60 has a job.

These stereotypes are part of why I really wanted to like the Liberty Mutual ad series we discussed earlier, with the Marlowes. Say what you will about these odd ads, at least the people in them aren't stereotypes. (Growly voiced dad who had to take a pay cut? Goofy grandpa who keeps wandering off? The kid who wears a costume to dinner?)

I'm not saying that we need commercials to be Debbie Downers and portray the dark side of life all the time. They're selling a product, I get that, and they don't want to bum us out. But how about a little nuance once in a while? How about a person or family I might recognize as real?

What stereotypes have you seen over and over again in commercials? Discuss them in the comments.

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Any group over two people has to be multi-cultural. Kids, moms, dogs, doesn't matter.

The dad always portrayed as an idiot who can't even tie his own shoes without his wife does get old very quickly. All it tells me is their commercial is aimed directly at women.
The wife/girlfriend/mom must always be the killjoy, who thinks her man is an idiot.
Home security system commercials will only show the "intruder" as an unshaven white guy.How about celbrating a little diversity when portraying our  criminal community? Or at least featuring a bad guy who shaved that morning.      
My husband does get offended at some of the commericials that portray the man as an idiot while the wife is always the know it all. It seems that is all the ad companies know how to produce. We've stopped buying some products because of their commercials.
There was a commercial a few years back where a family was cleaning out their refrigerator preparatory to getting a new one.  The little kid opens a container with something green in it, wrinkles his nose, and asks what it is.  The dad says, "It's penicillin -- your mother made it."  Mom shoots dad a dirty look.  That commercial always made me laugh.  It was smart and played against the stereotypes, which was very refreshing!
I get very tired of the Doofus Dad stereotype.  My husband works full time, hardly ever lays on the couch, does all our cooking and at least half the child care.  I also enjoy electronics and mowing the lawn and don't really care for expensive shoes.  I don't panic when I have to program a television and he doesn't panic when he gets left alone with the 4 children.  Oh, and he wants another child and I don't.  So there goes another stereotype.
Seriously, this is what you have to complain about?  Get over it and find some real issues to fret over!
What about those air freshener commercials where the offending source of odors is always the little boys (even if they're little boy animals).  And, ever notice in those DOT commercials about drinking and driving or not fastening your seatbelt, the drivers are always men.  
It's not just the advertisments which are "profiling".  Look at any television show where the kids are the stars (name ANY Disney show)and ALL the kids are super smart and sassy.  They have their own businesses, unlimited cash resources, cell phones, the latest computers, friends who compliment their needs and inadequancies.  The parents are hardly ever present, are considered un-cool, dumb, innane, computer illiterate, etc.  Family sitcoms for African-American families are more profiling than the Caucasian... The family is loud-mouthed, the kids are sports-orientated (maybe ONE egg-bert), the dad is a bumbling idiot, etc.  No one will come out with a sitcom which relates to all of us.  Some commercials, like the State Farm, can be "true" to life, but most are not.
I hate the one for Yoplait Yogurt where the guy is looking in the fridge for the yogurt and the women says to him "Babe, what are you doing?"... like he's just got in trouble like a 5 year old for going in to the fridge.
You nailed most of them, but here are a few others:

1) Janitorial people are always slightly chubby, slightly older, quick to offer help, and never wear any expressions but amused exasperation as they watch normal people screw up everything, or a self-satisfied smirk when their always-on advice is followed.

2) Families always have an older teenage daughter and a younger adolescent son. The daughter is always uber-cute and wise beyond her years; the boy is always smart and precocious but overwhelmed by hormones and thus prone to make the same stupid female-fixable mistakes as his father.

3) Bosses are always gruff and graying older men. They're usually money-obsessed buffoons.

4) Guys in their early 20s are always bearded, unkempt slacker types living in a maze of dirty clothes, dirty dishes, and dirty floors. While drug use isn't discussed, their dazed and confused looks and mannerisms certainly imply it.

5) Anyone who knows anything about computers is either A) a bespectacled, pocket-protector-wearing, nerdy, 40-year-old virgin type guy with a stained white shirt and Brylcreemed hair or B) a hyper intelligent mid-30s girl who can put an office full of idiotic men to shame with one click of her mouse before walking away, leaving the men in stunned silence.

The father-as-well-meaning-but-utterly-incompetent-moron stereotype does seem seem to be the most rampant, however. I'm a single father of three teenagers, yet I find myself to be, you know, at least a little competent...

Dads are always the butt of the joke. Dads always get the shaft, and you'll never see a commercial where the father is the hero and a loving parent to his children.

Cell phone commercials are the most anti-dad ads.
I agree that the Dad always seems to be out of touch and out of shape, UNLESS he is driving the newest car, in which case he is slim and stylish, with maybe some gray hair at the temples.
As a single male I pay attention to how men are depicted in media.
In ads, moms are always depited as being incredibly happy as they are pushing that swiffer across the floor or using Pledge multi purpose cleaner to really shine up that living room. It's not just guys who are stereotyped!
I've always noticed the moms are always gorgeous and skinny, and the dads are always "normal looking". Are they trying to say we "normal women" can't be married to gorgeous men??
I hate those commercials that make the dad look like a moron.  I felt the same way about tv shows.. The wives on Everybody Loves Raymond & Tool Time, used to make me sooo mad they were so condenscending...you know if you thought this guy was that stupid and incompetent, why the heck did you marry him and have kids with him.... its completely insulting...
Look at the popular TV shows dads: Homer Simpson, Everyone loves Raymond(I don't), According to Jim, and many others.  
All buffoons, idiots, no skills except whining.  So the marketing types base their commercials on these dads without a clue how the real world might operate in some places.
Vote with your money.  Email the company, tell them why you won't buy their product and don't buy it.  
The partial explanation is that a marketing degree is ridiculously easy(other than psychology, the easiest) to get in college, basically just show up for class.  These aren't exactly brainiacs coming up with this stuff...  If you have worked in pretty much any corporation and interfaced with a marketing dept., you know what I mean.  :)
Husbands and wives in commercials seem to come in particular pairs. If the wife is serene and wise, then she will be married to an overweight, lazy moron who will just stand there dumbfounded if he ever spills . If the wife is a shrewish harpy, then she's married to a sweet, possibly bumbling but well-meaning guy whom she feels she has to treat like a toddler.
Related to the topic of family stereotypes is the stereotypes related to the office. For example - try to find one of the more recent Staples commercials where a guy talks about using the Staples "easy button." Good luck! All I've seen are perky female secretary types who, in most cases, have a clueless but demanding male boss. After a couple of rants, my friends know to change the channel or fast-forward the tivo if a Staples commercial comes on.
Speaking of tv shows, when Mom is at work, she's a busy executive.  Never an assistant.  If she has a "lower" job, she is always depicted as poor.  
I don't know why men haven't noticed this and complained before now. I think it is awful to treat men like this.
I don't know why men haven't noticed this and complained before now. I think it is awful to treat men like this.
the mom in all commercials always wears sensible clothes - she is rarely depicted as stylish.  the typical mom outfit in a commercial is baggy khakis, a t-shirt, and an open buttondown shirt layered over it.  
We live in the real world at our house.  My wife and I both work outside the home as do many couples these days. It has always bugged me that so many commercials show dads as idiots when it comes to things around the house. I remember one commercial in particular.  I think it was for a cold medication of some sort.  Mom is sick in bed and dad and the kids are destroying the house, (since "Mom" is the only one who has any brain cells).  Dad says "look, I ironed it myself" and as he walks away there is a big burnt imprint of the iron on his back.  Of course mom has to get out of bed, take the meds and save the day.  I have been ironing my shirts for 30 years and haven't burned one yet.  Sometimes my wife repairs the leaky toilet.  GET A CLUE advertisers.  Show us some real families.
Ever noticed that the Dads are most times overweight and balding too.  The wife is super good looking and skinny as a rail.  I noticed this many years ago...not very flattering to men.  
This bugs me too, they act like all men are idiots. I fix my own cars, built my own house and hold down a full time job. If I were the kid behind the counter when the guy dumps all of the sprinkles, I would have jumped over it and made his little family watch while I kicked the crap out of him.
I don't know what the fuss is all about!
A commercial that I don't really like but does play against the norm are those roll-over minutes, where the mom shoots the son a dirty look and he just stares back at her vacantly.  That is pretty close to reality and there is another add (I think it is Verizon) with a single dad, raising three daughters that strays from the formula. I am also glad to see the cavemen back, they still make me smirk, and I love that 3 Doors Down song "Let Me Be Myself".  Everyone can relate to feeling like an outsider at some point and that is why they work.
Don't forget the stereotypical theme music for Dads..polka type tuba muzak.

You know, they play the same music for elephants....
Funny that this came up now. I remember making a similar comment to my then boss, owner and creative director of Gold Coast Advertising. It's a wonder that men, as portrayed in U.S. commercials, can hold a job and "bring home the bacon". Who in their right mind would hire an idiot? Women are always bright, smart creatures...men are eternally dumb and dumber.
How about the slow-motion hair swinging in shampoo commercials?  At that speed, everybody's hair would have lots of body no matter if they washed it with a fancy shampoo or not!

Hair color commercials show straight hair and any commercials showing curly hair has a playful, perky model bouncing her head around like a child.

The women are ALWAYS beautiful with swollen lips unless they are talking about something gross like cockroaches or diarrhea then they are dowdy without the collagen-enhanced lips and slow-motion hair.  

The kids always know more than their parents about technology and are always smart-alecky about it.

People are greatly excited, dancing around about trivial products like chewing gum.  Its gum, get over it!

Any group of people must represent every culture.  While I understand the motivation behind this, it looks contrived and unnatural.  We don't typically walk around in perfectly represented pods of humans hitting every color in the crayon box.

The one that probably bothers me the most are news anchors.  The women are always young, thin and beautiful while the men are middle-aged, greying and not necessarily attractive.  Are these the only types of people we will take seriously?  Sad.
I don't watch tv. I haven't had one in about 6 years. But women in reality are really really stupid.
If you want to find enertainment that isn't painfully cliche and insulting, you have to look to movies and premium channels.  Cable has to be middle of the road and portray sterotypes because it sells and is safe.  Most people want to be reminded that even though their life sucks, that happiness and uncomplicated blissful idiocy exist when they sit to watch "primetime" tv.  Friends will be one of the last long-running tv shows because they at least faked real problems.  Well-written, well-acted, complex shows that depict real people will only exist on Showtime,HBO, etc. because the censors will never allow the portraying of anguish and pain on cable.
There are two times each year that the bumbling husband stereotype disappears:  Valentine's and Christmas. Suddenly commercial husbands become clever, good-looking, knights-in-shining-armor. Oh yeah, and rich.
"I'm not saying that we need commercials to be Debbie Downers and portray the dark side of life all the time."

Thanks for proving your point about stereotypes. Why must all thing negative or "nasty" be preceded by Debbie ???!!!

Getting sick of hearing my name in that regard...
These commercials are geared towards women because most women are the decision makers as far as day to day purchases go in the majority of today's households - so god forbid the woman be the bumbling idiot! haha
These types of commercials simply re-state, and reinforce the long-held, and smug understanding that ignorant men have no advocates.  It's nice to know that many more people are picking up on this.  I agree with one of your other correspondents who believes it's time for some greater diversity - some risk taking with social "types".    
When my kids were small, and went to a day care center, it was me who dropped off, picked up, gave them dinner, changed diapers, etc. When my wife does the laundry, I do the grocery shopping(very good at it, use coupons also)When I would see one of those " commercials"it would really tick me off. Many, many fathers in our new age do this. How come they don't have commercials that show the dad as being the one in charge. We are actually very capable.....
It's not so much the stereotypes that I dislike (although I agree with all of the comments), it's the commercials themselves.  I don't need to see ED commercials, tampon commercials or his and hers KY commercials.....give me a break!
There's a certain fast-food chain... I'll call them Hardly's... that features an ad campaign that debases women in ways I won't go into. Suffice to say, the men act like macho vapid jerks while eating the manly burger, while women turn into nymphomaniacs and sex kittens while eating the manlyburger. Must be the sauce.

I hate the series, and I won't buy their food. If I want to watch men degrading women, I'll watch porn, or perhaps, the latest politician/sports figure/actor "apologizing" for cheating on his wife.
There are two times each year that the bumbling husband stereotype disappears:  Valentine's and Christmas. Suddenly commercial husbands become clever, good-looking, knights-in-shining-armor. Oh yeah, and rich.

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I never realized that! I mean, I saw the rich thing, but I never realized that the "man" stereotype is switched up twice a year. Good call.
No one, anywhere, be it a commercial or a TV show has a TV (unless, of course, its a commercial FOR a TV).  Furniture is always arranged around the fireplace, not the TV.  I always thought this odd, who is watching this stuff, anyway, if "typical Americans" don't have TV's?
when isn't the media, especially TV which is mostly aimed at women, NOT bashing men?
I believe that men are almost always portrayed as the dumb ones because the advertisers don't want to risk the ire of the women's political movement. And a black man can never be portrayed as the doofus unless he is shown among other black people, for fear of alienating the black political movement. The political correctness is predictable, boring and repetitive.
It's simple, really. If you put an ad out that depicts a woman as anything remotely negative, the feminists will whine and complain on all the news stations until the ad company is forced to apologize. Portray a member of a racial minority in a demeaning manner? Have fun with the NAACP/ADL/TOOMANYACRONYMS group. Tell the world how stupid and clumsy white men are? Better watch out, all those organizations that represent them will be furio- oh wait, there aren't any, because that would be racist/sexist/mean.
I hate the ones where the parents are idiots with computers & cell phones.  Who do you think invented all this stuff?  I'm 54 & I've been using computers since the mid-80's when most of these kids weren't even born yet.  Bill Gates is my age!!!!
Women consume and men do not.  The simple formula is to make women look intelligent for purchasing a product.
All I can say here is "Thank you " I've noticed all of the commercials for so long now and have been offended its nice to know I'm not the only one.


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